SOG dagger?

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Hey guys I have 3 SOG dessert daggers. One of them has the EDM.WA. stamp with seki japan. The other two! One has the stamp etched in the blade and the other looks like just a stamp on the blade but not in it (almost like it could come off) also the one with the cheaper stamp does not say seki japan on the back? My question is. Whats the difference between the second two daggers? Why does one have a cheaper stamp and not say seki japan?
 
Yes pictures will help in carrying the discussion forward. The EDM.WA, (Edmonds, Washington), stamp helps narrow the time frame on when that knife was made. At this point the other knives could be a variety of things from variations in manufacturing times to outright offshore counterfeits.
 
Yes. We need pics! Do any of them say the model name of the knife? The Seki one should not. Do the others say Taiwan? I know there are fake Daggerts out there.
 
I wish i could post the pics but i only have my phone at the moment. But EDM.WA has the seki japan stamp on the back and so does the one that has the SOG logo engraved in the logo. But the third one has nothing at all on one side and the SOG logo seems to be a cheaper stamp. Also just noticed third one has a very minor size different and the tang of the blade is also bigger then the other two.

If someone could post the pics for me id be happy to send em to you
 
I wish i could post the pics but i only have my phone at the moment. But EDM.WA has the seki japan stamp on the back and so does the one that has the SOG logo engraved in the logo. But the third one has nothing at all on one side and the SOG logo seems to be a cheaper stamp. Also just noticed third one has a very minor size different and the tang of the blade is also bigger then the other two.

If someone could post the pics for me id be happy to send em to you

Email them to me. My email is my screen name at gmail dot com.
 
Here they are. I am no expert on the seki SOG daggers but they look good to me:

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Hi guys. I am writing from Japan. About 10 days ago I was in Seki City, visiting Kencrest, G.Sakai and Hattori. It turns out that only the SOG S1 and S2 bowies were made by Hattori for SOG. The rest, including the later classics; Scubademo and Recon Bowie were made by Kinryu. Attached is an Ad for Kinryu from 2004. All the models are readily recognizable to SOG fans.
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Addressing the photos, the Desert Dagger was made by Kinryu from aboit 1991 to 2004. The two models with the "Seki Japan" are clearly authentic, one sinply has SOG's location under the logo. We have seen this vcariation before. The third one is interesting in not only not having the "seki Japan", but it appears that the grind is not exactly the same as the other two. The ricasso is noticably larger
resulting in the fuller starting at a much higher point. This does not necessarily indicate a "counterfeit'. With Seki made knivesI have noticed that sometimes a model may be made by another Seki factory when production capacity can not meet the shipping orders. This also happens in the tail end of a production run, such as the 2005-2007 period when SOG switched their long time OEM maker Kinryu Seki to Taiwan. During this transition period I have occasionally seen SOGs both Seki and Taiwan made that failed to have the counry of
origin stamp. Unless there are any other noticably odd features about that third Desert Dagger that are not visible in the photos, that would be my guess.
 
Not really sure where on BF to post a report. I do have photos but they are from the three knife museums, not the companies
as it would have been rude considering Mr Sakai and Mr Hattori spent time with me directly.
As for the idea that the lack of the "Seki Japan" markings may indicate a manufacture by a non-Seki firm, I doubt that for two
reasons. One is that the Seki Cutlery Association is a pretty tight knit group of family owned firms that have known each other for
a very long time. And they tend to treat other Japanese cutlery companies a bit as "outsiders". Secondly, even if that particular Desert Dagger were made outside of Seki, there's really no reason that should be normal. For example, there is acompany called Ido Edge located in Mino City north of Seki City, not a member of the Seki association obviously, who manufactures the Pendleton Hunter for
Cold Steel. They also use to make the now discontinued Peacekeeper daggers. They mark all their knives as "Made in Japan".
Fallkniven are the only knives that are not marked as to origin, most likely due to military contract sales. Since I have seen Taiwan SOG models that did not have "Taiwan" on it I assume that this is a similar case. The ricasso being so different on that one dagger though does beg the question of whether there are any other unusual characteristics not visible in the two photos.
 
Wow! Having an audience with the grandmasters?
Unreal.
If this sog dagger turns out kosher,
It would be rare indeed.
The one that had somehow slipped past seasoned collectors
I m sure... But that is a big "if"...
 
You are right, that dagger "might" be a rare gem. The best thing to do would be to ask SOG for an opinion.
I have a Made in Japan Cold Steel Ti-Lite that has a different grind than the regular ones and I was certain that
I had foolishly bought a counterfeit.So I submitted photos to Cold Steel and they came back to me replying that what
I had was a genuine Ti-Lite but that the grind was different because it was made separately to meet the numbers during
the Seki-to-Taiwan transition period. They didn't know which company Kinryu outsourced it to, but they confirmed it as
an authentic Ti-Lite, which of course was all I really needed to know.

As for my visit to Seki, regretfully I only had one day to spare so I had to turn down an invitation to meet Matsuda Kikuo as well. Mostly because I spent so much time at Hattori. Maybe next time.
so
 
Lucky dog Ken. Hopefully you have more pictures!

Wow! Having an audience with the grandmasters?
Unreal.
If this sog dagger turns out kosher,
It would be rare indeed.
The one that had somehow slipped past seasoned collectors
I m sure... But that is a big "if"...

It seems surrounding the times which they moved (SMCA, Lynwood, Edmond, Seki to Taiwan) stamping gets confusing. Like my Midnight Tigershark that should not be stamped SMCA.
 
All very upbeat and positive about the impending outcome
Guess we'll have to wait a wbile longer to know the absolute truth
If sog inc is forthcoming...
Hold on to tightly to that odd piece for now
Switchblade_renegade !
 
Cray,
I do have quite a few photos but all are taken in the 3 knife museus in Seki City. But I do not know where I should post them as they are not manufacturer specific. Any ideas?
Thanks
 
Thanks guys gonna send some pics to sog.

Just noticed to the pommel on the unique does not come off! No screw, just flat? Cant believe I didnt notice something like that before. But I have had these knives for along time.
 
Thickness of the guard stock is thinner on the odd stampless one as well...

The Kraton moulding would be the biggest clue that it must be genuine, as that is one very hard thing to fake... Another clue would be the silver soldering of the guard, as that is an obvious shortcut...

Gaston
 
No pommel screw???!!
Not a good sign....but still, please let us know what SOG has to say.
 
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