SOG Twitch II Problems - sorry long rant

vjb.knife

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First let me say that I am a big fan of what SOG has produced over the years and have not had any problems with any of their knives until now. I have Bought , used collected and traded SOG knives probably since 1984 or so. I currently own a S1 Bowie, a Trident, a Blink, and have had literally dozens of others including Tomcats, Tigersharks, Paratools, Power Grips, Sog Techs, Government models and probably a couple of others. I have always been happy with them whether I was just collecting them or I was taking them out in the field and tearing them up, but the recent purchase of a SOG Twitch II Black Ti has really got me ticked off.
SOG if you are out there listening and you have not heard it from your Customer Service Department - YOU HAVE A BIG QC AND OR DESIGN PROBLEM WITH THIS KNIFE!!!!! It Suucks big time! The original purchase of the Twitch II Black Ti I had was about 6 weeks ago, because I wanted something a little sleeker than the Blink I was carrying. Let me say that the Blink works very well, tight lock up, takes a nice edge and snaps open sharply; nicely done SOG. However the Twitch II is another story. I thought all was fine until about a week into owning this one when I noticed that the blade could be closed with both locks engaged!! The Secondary sliding lock which should block the pushing in of the back lock did not function. When it was slid forward the back lock could still be depressed and the blade would close - NOT GOOD. This is definately not the case on my Blink; when both locks are engeged the blade is solid as a rock and you ca not press in the back lock whatsoever.

Now the saga begins. I called SOG to see about a return and after a while of convincing the "service representative" that this is not how the knife is suppossed to work I was told to send it in for repair or replacement. About two weeks later I got the same knife back with tag attached saying they had cleaned the pocket lint out of the knife and it was fixed; needless to say this was not the problem at all and the knife was the same as it was before. Another call to the "service representative" got me the response that we probably can't fix that problem and the model is discontinued so we can't replace it. I asked for a substitute of the new GovTac model in the bead blast finish which I was having a hard time finding and offered to pay the slight difference in price. They said not to worry and they would cover the difference. They also assured me that the knife was in stock and would ship out right away. Great I was happy to get the trade and revert to using my trusty Blink.
Well, nearly two weeks later and SOG delivers what I thought to be a new GovTac, but no it is a Twitch II not in the aluminum handled black Ti version I had but the cheaper G-10 handle satin finish model. Immediately I am a little ticked but it still looked pretty nice so let's try it. Guess what SOG, yep the same problem as the first one - the sliding lock is as worthless as an icepack in a snow storm. WTFO! You would think they could at least check to see if the damn thing worked. They sent me a cheaper product and it did not even work!!! SOG, this is not the way to run Customer Service, Quality Assurance, Manufacturing, Design or a company in general in you want to retain customers.
Now when I call the "service representative" for the third time I am told that the Gov Tac I thought I was getting was not in stock and there were few alternatives to this knife in trade without paying the retail price difference or taking a factory second. Well, I already had two factory thirds so a second was not going to do either. And all of you know as well as I do that SOG knives have deep discounts on the internet bordering on wholesale and the price difference to get some of the possibilities were more than buying on outright on the bay or from some of the big dealers. So I finally agreed to wait until a GovTac came in to make that trade. At lease it probably would not close on my fingers.

So over a month has past since buying the Twitch II and I have nothing more than a pain in my; well you know. Thanks so much SOG. I have worked for many years as a Plant Engineer and Manufacturing Engineer in the metals industry and have not been embarassed by Quality problems more that one time. Figure it out and fix it.

Somewhat less than best regards, Vince.
 
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. This is the first time I have heard of anything like this happening and I think I am correct in saying that this is far from the norm. I do know of quite a few people who own the twitch II and this is the first time I have ever heard of this happening. Also, SOGs customer service is top notch -- the best I have ever had to deal with -- your experience with them is definitely not normal.

I hope you can get your situation resolved soon. ;)
 
According to SOGs website it is supposed to "double lock" open.

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We have even included a built-in safety that either locks the blade closed or can double lock the blade open.
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I have the original Gray/Satin Twitch II, it is possible to press down hard on the lock and partially close the knife even when it is "double-locked" with the sliding lock. The knife is not possible to close more then about half-way with the sliding-lock engaged. I hadn’t noticed this until now so I can't say that I have had any problems with it, but is good to keep in mind since the blade closes enough to cut you.
 
The two twitch II's that I have had would close completely with the double sliding lock engaged. That is not supposed to happen. It should not let the blade back lock be depressed at all whether it lets the blade close half way or all the way. Like I said the blink I have is solid as a rock. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is the mistakes that occurred after I sent the knife to SOG and their lack of ability to make it right in a timely manner. In companies that I have worked for when this type of customer service issue came up it was fixed to the customer's satisfaction ASAP regardless of whether it was a small or large problem. Even when I sell a knife to a guy if he does not like it he gets a full refund for return of the knife ASAP. SOG did not even offer to do that or make it possible for me to do it with the knife shop i bought it from after they did not send the same knife back to me the 2nd time.

Regards, Vince.
 
vjb knife, why didn't you email Chris through this forum to begn with, you probably would have gotten better service typical of a knife nut. Also, you cannot judge an entire line of folding knives based on one or two examples. I have may Sog folders which are excellent quality. Albeit, they are older, but I don't think that matters much. In any case, I am sure things will workout.
 
I certainly did not judge the entire line of folders based on this experience but this Twitch series of knives does seem to have a problem be it with design or construction. I stated in my original post thatI have owned many SOG knives and have had no problems with them in fact I always carry a Blink which I like very much.

I have been contacted by Scott the VP of SOG and they have acknowledged that there are some problems being reported with this knife and that besides the technical issue the way that their Customer Service Department dealt with the problem is not right. The President of the company returns to the office on Monday and they are going to discuss the problem and get back to me. Scott was quite nice and actually thanked me for bringing the issues to their attention. They have promised to make the situation right and I am sure that they will.

Most of my problem lies with the Repair and Customer Service departments which did not handle the problem properly. Granted it is not a real big money deal to anyone, but the day I send a product back to a client for the second time much less the third in this case with the same problem is the day I file for unemployment benefits. This would be true regardless of the dollar value involved.


I am in no way blasting SOG as a whole or slamming all their products but his one has a problem that should not exist. I love most of their stuff and have been buying them since the mid 1980's and I am sure that I will continue to buy them, but probably not another Twitch.

Regards, Vince.
 
vjb.knife said:
I have been contacted by Scott the VP of SOG and they have acknowledged that there are some problems being reported with this knife and that besides the technical issue the way that their Customer Service Department dealt with the problem is not right. The President of the company returns to the office on Monday and they are going to discuss the problem and get back to me. Scott was quite nice and actually thanked me for bringing the issues to their attention. They have promised to make the situation right and I am sure that they will.


Regards, Vince.

Now that is the SOG customer service I was talking about. ;):thumbup:
 
gotcha, I have had problems that cost me more money thanyours, s I feel your pain. I once purchased two $600 custom folders who's quality was absolute crap. The design itself was junk and I could not get the maker to understand what I was trying to tell him. He didn't have a clue about the basic design of a strong folder. In any case, he made changes, but I was never happy with them again, so I sold ad traded them off to people that liked his stuff. I lost money on both, but I never looked back.
 
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