Some alarming and sad news during Dasein. If you are a Korean or Nam vet don't read.

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This is what I've been talking about in regard to the Maoist movement in Nepal and here is a most recent report. It is as I said it the title, alarming and sad. All of us old timers have seen this sort of thing before and I hope they can get it stopped before it is too late. God help the Nepalis!
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GUERILLA's killed 14 policemen and injured 40 others in a night attack on the
Police Station in the Himalayan Village of Dunai.
At 2am, after an hour of gunfire and exploding bombs, a sopkesman for the
rebels said: "We are the Lal Sena [Red Army]. Our enemies are the police and
the government. All civilians should stay in their homes."

One villager, Rama Sahai, whose home faces the police station, remembers
being pinned to her floor in terror with her three children as bullets flew
through their upper storey shutters and over their heads. She said: "The
children couldn't speak they were so frightened. When the firing began again
I went unconscious." She had never heard a gun fired before.

The police were hopelessly outnumbered, 125 men armed only with antiquated
.303 rifles of British origin facing more than 700 insurgents equipped with
automatic weapons, petrol bombs and home-made pipe bombs. Women and children
supplied the front with ammunition and a band of female rebels was assigned
the risk-free task of looting the Nepal Bank of £600,000.

The guerrillas, some in combat fatigues with red stars on their caps, others
in woollen rags and flip-flops, ringed the police compound's perimeter dry
stone wall shoulder to shoulder.

Their victims defended themselves desperately from wooden window frames and
doorways, sending bullets pinging around the grey stone houses and narrow
alleys.

Earlier this week, hired hands sifted through the collapsed and scorched
remains of the prison, district government headquarters and half a dozen
buildings in the police compound, throwing mangled typewriters and
bullet-riddled filing cabinets on to a scrapheap. Most of the shops were
shuttered and the hospital had closed after doctors and all government
personnel were moved out.

The assault 10 days ago was the most audacious and deadly in a four-year-old
insurgency by the Maoist People's Army that has largely escaped international
attention but has claimed more than 2,000 lives and is shattering Nepal's
tranquil, spiritual image. Maoists have now started robbing travellers,
menacing the vital tourist industry as well as the multi-party democracy
conceded by King Birendra after a popular uprising 10 years ago.

The Old Etonian monarch, confronted by a ruthless enemy that wants to place a
red flag on the roof of the world, is likely soon to have to decide whether
or not to send in the army, thereby declaring a virtual civil war.

The two most prominent Maoist leaders are well educated veterans of the
democracy movement. Sympathisers say they broke away from a non-violent
far-Left party to initiate the armed struggle in disgust with the bickering
and venal political elite that has brought a change of prime minister every
year since 1990. On the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) website, the
general secretary and military commander Kamal Dahal Prachanda, a former
teacher, parades anachronistic revolutionary ideals and idioms.

But on the ground, the People's Army cadres preach primitive nationalism and
employ often brutal, very un-Nepalese methods. A diplomat in Kathmandu said:
"It is a very peaceful and tolerant society and, despite their reputation as
good warriors, the Nepalese have very rarely taken those characteristics
outside conventional warfare."

Among 34 violent incidents reported in August, Maoists murdered a teacher on
his way to school, chopped off the leg of a suspected police informer and for
the first time took their terror to the capital, hurling three petrol bombs
on one afternoon at police and government targets.

Head teachers have reported receiving death threats if their schools continue
to sing the royalist national anthem or teach Sanskrit, which is seen as a
reactionary influence of the imposing nuclear neighbour, India. With advice
and training from Peru's Shining Path and Indian militant communist groups,
the rebels' armed force has grown to between 2,000 and 5,000. About half of
their fighters are teenagers, drawn from the same Magar and Tamang ethnic
groups recruited for the Gurkhas in various regions.

They are tough, obedient and durable, and operate in dizzying terrain ideal
for guerrilla combat against a police force trained to deal with unarmed
street demonstrators and thieves. Dunai, the headquarters of Dolpa district,
bordering Tibet, lies on an ancient caravan route at the end of an arduous
three-hour walk from the 6,000ft-high gravel runway of Juphal airport. The
dead and wounded had to be flown out by helicopter.

The government has estimated that the Maoist menace has to some degree
affected more than half of the country's 75 districts. In the mid-western
hills, traditionally deprived and hostile to Kathmandu, six districts are
under virtual rebel control apart from the administrative centres. The
Maoists are reported to have set up a "people's court" and begun projects to
build footpaths and provide farming advice to local people but, for all their
Robin Hood tactics, rule in part by terror. Human rights groups have
documented ample cases of village girls kidnapped and used as sex slaves.

The rebels are funded and armed principally by theft and extortion from
businessmen, teachers and police. The police have damaged their own cause by
retaliating brutally in places, killing, beating and illegally detaining
suspected Maoists.

Kapil Shrestha, a member of the National Human Rights Commission, said: "The
police have committed more human rights offences than the Maoists. The
government doesn't know how to handle it. Either they over-react or they
don't react. They are scared and they lack moral courage."

Despite pledges by Prachanda to the contrary, tourists have become targets,
though none has been physically hurt. At Easter, 20 armed men purporting to
be Maoists burst into a dining room of the Tiger Mountain Resort in Pokhara
and demanded the staff's wages, which had been delivered earlier that day.
British and other tourists were given a political lecture and asked to
contribute.

One rafting and one trekking group from Britain have been robbed since, and
the British embassy now advises travellers to check if their route is safe
and to avoid trekking alone. An embassy spokesman said: "It is sometimes hard
to tell if robbers are Maoists or not. The rebels may have just given other
people ideas. It is, after all, a very poor country."

About 70 per cent of Nepal's 24 million people live below the poverty line.
Life expectancy, despite two decades of foreign aid, struggles to rise above
the mid-50s. Politicians, at least once they are out of power, admit that
democracy has raised expectations but failed to deliver jobs, roads outside
the Kathmandu valley or wealth.

Sher Bahadur Deuba, a former prime minister said: "These people have been
neglected for 30 years. They have never been brought into the mainstream and
now we are paying the price. The army is the last resort. We have to address
poverty, unemployment and start a dialogue."



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Uncle Bill
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How very, very sad. Will we never learn? We can put men on the moon, split the atom, yet we are unable to civilize the savage within.
 
The "Main Stream" here being the Politicos back pockets. Speaking from experience, I see both sides of this and it doesn't look good from any direction. I could go on for hours about this mess, but will refrain from such doings. BOTH sides are wrong....with average people cought in the middle. So what else is new under the Sun?
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Dan
 
Bill,

Thanks for bringing the truth home, however sickening and infuriating. This kind of situation is happening over and over again all over for the very reasons you've stated. The political "names" change but that's about all that does. It's that classic combination of stupidity, arrogance, ignorance, and desperation that creates the "official followers/comrades " of these kind of movements- who are willing to throw away their morals, respect for others, and decency for a little power, however illusory. I'd hoped that somehow most everyone had gotten the message of how flawed and eneffectual the communist system is in reality.

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To get away with it is fun.
 
This report is ugly. Not even Nepal is immune to Communist terror. But what else is new for the last two hundred years ever since the Illuminists fostered the Jacobin revolution in France ;costing easily over one million killed by execution. The Bolshevik Revoution destroyed a once great nation and killed over 100 million people. No need to talk about Greece civil war, Chairman Maos destructions or Pol Pot ,Castro, and scores of othere Communist dictators. Not one of the above revolutions helped the above nations and only brought mass murder , wars and starvations. I will bet a dollar to a donut that the Boys in Red China,A commie powerhouse Still, are playing a BIg hand in subverting little Nepal. Our Pro communist media here in the states would hide such evidence. They sure hide what the PLA has done right here in the good old USA.

Really sad what is happening to the people of Nepal. The Red Dragon is flexing her muscles just about everywhere. Communist Party is alive and well in Red China. Just my opinions though.
 
well, that was the most disheartening thing I've read in a while. The situation sounds a lot like Peru 15 years ago or so, right down to the crackpot former academic turned rebel military commander. And to learn that the Maoist group is getting technical advice from the Sendero Illuminoso...it makes my heart ache for the people of Nepal. I'm afraid they may be in for a particularly cruel and ruthless stretch of time.
 
If Chairman Mao had a point about all power coming from the barrel of a gun ( the power to say "NO" and make it stick ) what does that say about those who want to take the right to own firearms from away from the common man?

The power to govern in a democracy is supposed to come from the consent of the governed. Take away the bullets and you take away the right to the ballot.

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And once again my heart is on the ground.

I had to come back and read this several times just for it to soak in.
What desperate times for Nepal!
 
I could see this coming when I was living in Nepal years ago. As Ivan so accurately observed, the Chinese Communists have played a large part in this movement from day one -- soon after they invaded and captured Tibet they started. And they were very, very good at what they did. I watched them operate personally.

My best example is the building of a bridge across a ravine that was very difficult and treacherous to negotiate by foot.
Nepal desperately needed this bridge so agreed to these terms: All money for the bridge would be supplied and CONTROLLED by the Chinese delegates. Construction, purchasing of materials, hiring and firing, everything to do with the bridge, all Chinese controlled. For every Nepali who worked on the bridge there would be one Chinese working as his partner (little red book and lots of evening propaganda). When the bridge was completed there was a big brass plaque put on both ends which read to the effect: GIFT FROM THE PEOPLE OF CHINA TO THE PEOPLE OF NEPAL.

Every time some poor village person walked across that bridge they looked down at the foot path so far below that had been so very difficult to negotiate and thanked the Chinese. It worked beautifully.

By contrast, America and most Western countries who tried to help in Nepal would give money to various Nepal projects to be handled by Nepalis and would turn over the operation to the Nepalis. Invariably, the project managers would steal as much of the money as possible and what they could not steal they would give to friends and relatives. Success rate -- maybe 5 or 10 percent. The Peace Corp was the most effective device in Nepal and even it could have been much improved because the US Government tried to run it from Washington and that just doesn't work.

The exploitation of the already very poor in Nepal is the fuel that drives the Maoist movement and until that somehow changes Nepal is in great jeopardy.

This is of great concern to me because I have family and close friends in Nepal who are like all Nepalis -- in great jeopardy. And, I worry and pray.

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Uncle Bill
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I used to get into some heated arguments with the American Maoist group, the Revolutionary Communist Party. These people actually espouse this kind of sickness described. To them, everyone is the enemy who's not a fanatic for their "cause." And this calls itself a "peoples" movement??!!! I'd say hire some mercs and clean them out.

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Kevan "Raven" Taylor-Perry
 
I am concerned, not only for the people over there, but also for a colleague from work who is there with her husband for 5 weeks for the Anapurna(sp?) trek and hope that they are alright.

I certainly agree that there needs to be significant reform, but it needs to come from the corrupt government. Right now, I am not optimistic that anything short of a revolution will help and those corrupt individuals are likely getting ready to leave the country.

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As tempting as it is to just "send in the troops", great care must be taken to insure that you don't make the enemy's position stronger. COIN operations can be tricky stuff. I believe a number of the Gorkha units have experience in counter insurgency, but you have to involve the locals of that specific area, especially if there is a cultural or ethnic difference, and you have to REFORM the whole system to allow more opportunity and to give the locals a reason to back the govt. against the potent combination of promises and threats, that are the stock in trade of Maoism.
 
Here's what baffles me. Mao said, "The people are to the guerilla as water is to the fish." How can this Red Army grow in popularity when they rob travellers (thereby threatening the tourist industry and thus the local economy), steal from the lower class citizens, and threaten to kill (and have probably already killed) school teachers? How can they grow in numbers when they make enemies of the local populace at every turn? Che would be shaking his head at these guys. Guerillas are supposed to be (or at least APPEAR to be) the heroes and champions of the people, like Robin Hood. Perhaps these guys have so much support from China that they don't need the assistance of the locals. That's a scary thought. If Nepal falls, who's next? This is VERY similar to what's currently going on in Sierra Leone.


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Now that I think about it, another good thing about having moved BirGhorka to a relatively obscured location is that it hides it from any Maoists who would try to destroy it in order to eliminate a source of "capitalist corruption", as they would probably call it.

Bob

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This situation and any like it promt me to sadness and blowing off more than a little steam.
All I'll say for now is it looks like the Chinese have the same plans for Nepal they had for Tibet, for the same reasons.

Sadly,

Finn

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[This message has been edited by Finnean (edited 10-09-2000).]
 
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