Some examples on stupid hikers!

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My friend sent me this link, after i refused to believe his description of some stupid hikers! But he was telling the truth....:eek:

Seriously, i cant fathom how IGNORANT and STUPID some people can be.

What happened to such basic skills, as navigating by map and compass, reading the weather, planning and thinking ahead, dressing according to the weather, respecting the space wild animals require, etc :confused:...Im not talking about survival skills, just the regular skills every outdoor man/woman should have when entering the outdoors.

Im really shocked at some of the examples in this article :eek:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/science/earth/22parks.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=nationalpark&st=cse

Technology Leads More Park Visitors Into Trouble

Cathy Hayes was cracking jokes as she recorded a close encounter with a buffalo on her camera in a recent visit to Yellowstone National Park.
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Rangers responded to a cellphone call for help from climbers on Grand Teton who were injured in a lightning storm. Sixteen people were evacuated, and another died.

In a video on YouTube, Cathy Hayes showed her injuries and recounted being charged by a buffalo at Yellowstone National Park while filming a companion.

“Watch Donald get gored,” she said as her companion hustled toward a grazing one-ton beast for a closer shot with his own camera.

Seconds later, as if on cue, the buffalo lowered its head, pawed the ground and charged, injuring, as it turns out, Ms. Hayes.

“We were about 30, 35 feet, and I zoomed in on him, but that wasn’t far enough, because they are fast,” she recounted later in a YouTube video displaying her bruised and cut legs.

The national parks’ history is full of examples of misguided visitors feeding bears, putting children on buffalos for photos and dipping into geysers despite signs warning of scalding temperatures.

But today, as an ever more wired and interconnected public visits the parks in rising numbers — July was a record month for visitors at Yellowstone — rangers say that technology often figures into such mishaps.

People with cellphones call rangers from mountaintops to request refreshments or a guide; in Jackson Hole, Wyo., one lost hiker even asked for hot chocolate.

A French teenager was injured after plunging 75 feet this month from the South Rim of the Grand Canyon when he backed up while taking pictures. And last fall, a group of hikers in the canyon called in rescue helicopters three times by pressing the emergency button on their satellite location device. When rangers arrived the second time, the hikers explained that their water supply “tasted salty.”

“Because of having that electronic device, people have an expectation that they can do something stupid and be rescued,” said Jackie Skaggs, spokeswoman for Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.

“Every once in a while we get a call from someone who has gone to the top of a peak, the weather has turned and they are confused about how to get down and they want someone to personally escort them,” Ms. Skaggs said. “The answer is that you are up there for the night.”

The National Park Service does not keep track of what percentage of its search and rescue missions, which have been climbing for the last five years and topped 3,500 in 2009, are technology related. But in an effort to home in on “contributing factors” to park accidents, the service recently felt compelled to add “inattention to surroundings” to more old-fashioned causes like “darkness” and “animals.”

The service acknowledges that the new technologies have benefits as well. They can and do save lives when calls come from people who really are in trouble.

The park service itself has put technology to good use in countering the occasional unruliness of visitors. Last summer, several men who thought they had managed to urinate undetected into the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone were surprised to be confronted by rangers shortly after their stunt. It turns out that the park had installed a 24-hour camera so people could experience Old Faithful’s majesty online. Viewers spotted the men in action and called to alert the park.

In an era when most people experience the wild mostly through television shows that may push the boundaries of appropriateness for entertainment, rangers say people can wildly miscalculate the risks of their antics.

In an extreme instance in April, two young men from Las Vegas were killed in Zion National Park in Utah while trying to float a hand-built log raft down the Virgin River. A park investigation found that the men “did not have whitewater rafting experience, and had limited camping experience, little food and no overnight gear.”

“They told their father that they intended to record their entire trip on video camera as an entry into the ‘Man vs. Wild’competition” on television, investigators wrote.

Far more common but no less perilous, park workers say, are visitors who arrive with cellphones or GPS devices and little else — sometimes not even water — and find themselves in trouble. Such visitors often acknowledge that they have pushed themselves too far because they believe that in a bind, the technology can save them.

It does not always work out that way. “We have seen people who have solely relied on GPS technology but were not using common sense or maps and compasses, and it leads them astray,” said Kyle Patterson, a spokesman for Rocky Mountain National Park, just outside Denver.

Like a lot of other national parks, Rocky Mountain does not allow cellphone towers, so service that visitors may take for granted is spotty at best. “Sometimes when they call 911, it goes to a communications center in Nebraska or Wyoming,” Mr. Patterson said. “And that can take a long time to sort out.”

One of the most frustrating new technologies for the parks to deal with, rangers say, are the personal satellite messaging devices that can send out an emergency signal but are not capable of two-way communication. (Globalstar Inc., the manufacturer of SPOT brand devices, says new models allow owners to send a message with the help request.)

In some cases, said Keith Lober, the ranger in charge of search and rescue at Yosemite National Park in California, the calls “come from people who don’t need the 911 service, but they take the SPOT and at the first sign of trouble, they hit the panic button.”

But without two-way communication, the rangers cannot evaluate the seriousness of the call, so they respond as if it were an emergency.

Last fall, two men with teenage sons pressed the help button on a device they were carrying as they hiked the challenging backcountry of Grand Canyon National Park. Search and rescue sent a helicopter, but the men declined to board, saying they had activated the device because they were short on water.

The group’s leader had hiked the Grand Canyon once before, but the other man had little backpacking experience. Rangers reported that the leader told them that without the device, “we would have never attempted this hike.”

The group activated the device again the next evening. Darkness prevented a park helicopter from flying in, but the Arizona Department of Public Safety sent in a helicopter whose crew could use night vision equipment.

The hikers were found and again refused rescue. They said they had been afraid of dehydration because the local water “tasted salty.” They were provided with water.

Helicopter trips into the park can cost as much as $3,400 an hour, said Maureen Oltrogge, a spokeswoman for Grand Canyon National Park.

So perhaps it is no surprise that when the hikers pressed the button again the following morning, park personnel gave them no choice but to return home. The leader was issued a citation for creating hazardous conditions in the parks.
 
Jeez dude, some people. I wonder what button did frontiersmen press when they needed help. If I was the helicopter pilot flying in a second time, I would have shot the guy in the leg and say "there you go, THAT'S and emergency!"
 
In an extreme instance in April, two young men from Las Vegas were killed in Zion National Park in Utah while trying to float a hand-built log raft down the Virgin River. A park investigation found that the men “did not have whitewater rafting experience, and had limited camping experience, little food and no overnight gear.”

“They told their father that they intended to record their entire trip on video camera as an entry into the ‘Man vs. Wild’ competition” on television, investigators wrote.

Been saying for years that this was going to happen.
 
I took a hike this weekend with my wife, housekeeper and 3 kids (ages1,4 and 6). It was hot but we had basic supplies. Our housekeeper has almost no outdoor experience so when her water ran low she asked if we had more water. My 6 year old said for her to ask dad for the water purification tablets and get some water from the running creek. Even a 6year old knows to at least give a little thought to preparedness. I see people across all walks of life becoming more and more dependent on technology to save and help them.
 
They should charge the people who use the SPOT devices for non-emergencies the $3,400/hour fee.
 
They should charge the people who use the SPOT devices for non-emergencies the $3,400/hour fee.

I totally agree with that!

Personally, i don't see how someone can be so unaware that they think the SPOT is just for chatting with the rangers, or asking for water....

I would be embarrassed in the extreme to need to press that button at all, and you can bet I would not press it unless it were for a reason I could explain to the authorities without wincing.
 
How pissed would I be after getting all hyped up, helicoptering into the wilderness at night, don't know if there was an attack, a broken neck or whatever waiting for me when I land...and I'm asked for some hot chocolate?

I firmly belive these people should be left there, salty water and all. Or privatize it. A call comes in; someone is stuck for whatever reason and needs help getting down from a mountain. They give their CC# over the phone, and a PRIVATE rescue company sends their chopper/hikers out to help. Much like how the military is "supplmented" by private security contractors.
 
They should charge the people who use the SPOT devices for non-emergencies the $3,400/hour fee.

Agreed. They really "cry wolf" for everybody else that isn't a complete retard. I am all about people getting outside their comfort zone and head into the outdoors, but common sense seems to be taking some pretty serious hits lately.

Edit: on the flip side, however: I read a story in Backpacker Magazine or some such publication about an eagle scout who went camping and ended up getting lost. S&R came and found him and the state slapped him with some $30,000 bill for the rescue because he was found to be "negligent".
 
Well, here we ago with the oldest thread topic in W&SS again. Did Bushman5 write that article? :D
 
My Dad showed me that story yesterday, I was just coming over here to post it...

This is an odd contrast with that Eagle Scout story...I remember that one...He didn't call for help. How does someone who did not request anything get a bill, but some folks who summoned a helicopter 3 times for no good reason not get one?

I realize the situations aren't exactly the same but...If i call up a plumber to work on my pipes I expect him to bill me. If I come home one day and he's just there under the sink of his own initiative I wouldn't....There's a big difference between a service that is called for and one that is not.

I think it might be time for some standardization for this sort of thing.
 
I must say this is perfect! I am big into survival and being self sufficient while in the wilderness. My brother on the other hand is a backpacker "takes all the bells and whistles" with him. for example... I take water, some food, fire-steel, and a knife. The brother - solar panels, phone, gps, MSR water pump/stove/ etc etc etc...however his latest purchase was the SPOT. You know "just in case"...so thank you for the post i forwarded the news reel to my brother asking him why he really got the SPOT:).
 
And on that note, HERE is an interesting read about an incident involving a trio of wayward yakkers vs. the Rangers of the Yellowstone.

The United States of America

versus

Robert W. Lesser, Douglas Ammons,

and Robert M. McDougall.

Damn, the entire United States of America against me.

:)
 
They need to make it a "Criminal Charge" if someone activates a SPOT for a non-emergency situation like hot chocolate or water(unless they are actually dying from dehydration)
 
My friend sent me this link, after i refused to believe his description of some stupid hikers! But he was telling the truth....:eek:

Seriously, i cant fathom how IGNORANT and STUPID some people can be.

What happened to such basic skills, as navigating by map and compass, reading the weather, planning and thinking ahead, dressing according to the weather, respecting the space wild animals require, etc :confused:...Im not talking about survival skills, just the regular skills every outdoor man/woman should have when entering the outdoors.

Im really shocked at some of the examples in this article :eek:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/science/earth/22parks.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=nationalpark&st=cse

If you watch the video of the woman being charged at Yellowstone you will see a bottle or can of some sort fly and hit the buffalo. Then it charges. Brilliant!
 
I've run across countless people in the back country that 'read a book' and decided they had all of the outdoor knowledge, experience and skill of John Muir.
There is nothing more irritating than having a nice solo trip invaded by a bunch of panicked, totally unprepared idiots that need to be saved.
I went with a couple of people from the Sierra Club and it was the most disfunctional outdoors experience I've ever had.
Constant GPS checking, every two hours we had to stop so they could carb up for maximum efficiency. They insisted on sleeping next to the stream in a slot canyon because flash floods weren't supposed to happen at that time of the year. I camped far above them... maybe the book said no floods happen at that time of year, but I've seem 'em happen at all times of the year.
I could make this a very, very long list, but I'll stop here.
All I can say is that they know enough to get themselves into a hell of a lot of trouble, and they seemed to be fairly well respected in the local Sierra Club community.
I used to be a serious rock climber, too. I could write a trilogy on the tourons that bloodied the rock before me.
A good title might be, "Tourons, the Dipshits of the Hills".
I guess I just got my butt kicked so many times as a kid trying to be Jeremiah Johnson that I learned a few lessons on the way.
I may feel and be safe in the sticks, but I pretty much suck at city living.
Guess everybody has some degree of success at surviving in their particular environment.
I'll take sub-zero weather and absurd amounts of snow before the streets of Vegas.
Vegas is dangerous...
 
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