Some have asked for it, here it is!

Plumberdv

Plumberdv

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I've heard or read that many people really want a Buck 110 with a carbon steel blade. According to this listing title, here's your chance.

"Carbon steel Hunters knife by BUCK"

I won't post the link, but it's easy to find on the bay.:thumbup:
 
I contacted the seller and received a very nice response. The listings should be changed soon.
 
Just checked and still there. Whats the problem, 420highcarbon-sounds right to me:p
 
Plum,

You're the Ebay Toxic Avenger....Eliminating the e-filth in a single bound-You need a costume:D
 
imafritz said:
Just checked and still there. Whats the problem, 420highcarbon-sounds right to me:p
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Yeah, but earlier, the blade material was listed as simply "Carbon Steel", and the title listing still says that. 420HC isn't carbon steel, it's a form of stainless and has somewhere around .5% carbon.

It's not what most knife buyers think of as carbon steel.
 
Plumberdv said:
Yeah, but earlier, the blade material was listed as simply "Carbon Steel", and the title listing still says that. 420HC isn't carbon steel, it's a form of stainless and has somewhere around .5% carbon.

It's not what most knife buyers think of as carbon steel.
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I have actually never heard what or if it stands for but always figgered chromium if anything.........or cheerios:eek:
 
Here's what Buck says about it.

"420HC SteelThis is Buck’s standard blade material because it combines the excellent wear resistance of high carbon alloys with the corrosion resistance of chromium stainless steels. Add our exclusive heat-treat process for superior corrosion resistance and you have excellent tensile strength, hardness and wear resistance. 420HC Steel is a High Carbon (HC) version of standard 420 martensitic stainless steels – they can be can be hardened to a Rockwell hardness of Rc 58."

I guess .4 to .5% carbon is high.

Folks wanting a real "carbon steel" blade like perhaps Case's CV or some of the older Schrade blades, could be mislead into thinking this was what they wanted.
 
To your carbon point...it is High Carbon relative to std 420. I agree it is a misnomer to call 420HC "carbon steel". I know past threads have beat steels to death but a quick foundation here is high carbon steels are able to achieve high edge retaining hardnesses without being brittle while being very vulnerable to corrosion. The martensitic stainless steels (400 series) have less carbon and add chrome which dramatically increases the resistance to corrosion but also makes the steel much more brittle as you harden it, so you have to stay down in the high 50's rockwell (58) or you will get chipping of your edge or broken blades vs. being in the low 60's (62-62) for carbon steels.

Now you add Vanadium (as in S30V steel) and you get an increase in the wearability of the steel with less hardness and thus even less brittleness. Our tests were that S30V at 60.5 rockwell edge performed as well as ATS-34 or BG-42 at 61-62. I do not remember if we tested any of the true high carbon tool steels like D-2 or others.

I know all I use right now in everyday or hunting is S30V.
 
CJ Buck said:
To your carbon point...it is High Carbon relative to std 420. I agree it is a misnomer to call 420HC "carbon steel". I know past threads have beat steels to death but a quick foundation here is high carbon steels are able to achieve high edge retaining hardnesses without being brittle while being very vulnerable to corrosion. The martensitic stainless steels (400 series) have less carbon and add chrome which dramatically increases the resistance to corrosion but also makes the steel much more brittle as you harden it, so you have to stay down in the high 50's rockwell (58) or you will get chipping of your edge or broken blades vs. being in the low 60's (62-62) for carbon steels.

Now you add Vanadium (as in S30V steel) and you get an increase in the wearability of the steel with less hardness and thus even less brittleness. Our tests were that S30V at 60.5 rockwell edge performed as well as ATS-34 or BG-42 at 61-62. I do not remember if we tested any of the true high carbon tool steels like D-2 or others.

I know all I use right now in everyday or hunting is S30V.
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It's always nice to tune in here and get good information. S30V by the way is my favorite these days, too. :)
 
I've always thought that I had to have the specialty steels for my knives. Back in the 70's the 440c that Buck used for their blades made me feel like I had the best knife I could buy. I have been thru many phases over the years. I got into the D2 thing and the BG42 thing for awhile. I've tried those laminated steels too.
To make a long story short, Lately, I've picked up 3 of the newer Buck knives with the 420 steel blades. I have to admit, for several years, I've been a "Blade snob" ! I thought I was above the lowely 420 steel! After these latest purchases, I feel like I've been overlooking a great blade steel! I guess I was thinking these 420's would be on par with one of those cheapo flea market frost blades, But I was sooo wrong! I have learned that the 420 steel that the late model bucks have is really a fine hard use blade steel.They hold up very well and sharpen quickly. The later is nearly as important as the first point in my opinion.
Now if I were going to order a Custom shop 110, I would spring for the S30V! But I no longer feel underbladed with Bucks 420 ! :) Thanks for letting me share this, I feel better now!
 
seaplane said:
I've always thought that I had to have the specialty steels for my knives. ....
But I no longer feel underbladed with Bucks 420 ! :) Thanks for letting me share this, I feel better now!
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Hi , My name is 110 Dave, and i am a buckalcoholic ,
Ahhh.. here we understand stand you our sea fiend ...
yes some times we jest have to talk to the Group and get all out...
i am now no longer a steel snob either!
dont it feel better to get better?
 
Well, Yes it does! I even like the old rusty carbon blades! Ooops, Did I say that? :)
 
Great to have CJ provide some technical information.

I think it should be mentioned that the "heat treat" is critical to achieve the best performance out of blade steels. BOS is about as good as it gets.

Peter
 
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