Some information on 227UH

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I have this 227UH that my father gave me and wanted a little information on it. It is not like the standard 227UH you see. Here is why, it has what appears to be real stag handles and silver bolsters. They shine up real pretty, also the spine of the blades and along the back all have very beautiful file work. I was hoping someone could give me some info on it and maybe value as I know very little and it seems there are some very knowledgeable people on this site.
 
This sounds like a beautiful and desirable knife, sir. I'm gonna let one of the real Schrade experts here reply to this one.

LT?? this one rates an answer from you!

Phil
 
JesseIrene,
Would love to see a picture of this.
Post one for all of us to see if you can.
Thanks,
Larry
 
I'm looking forward to seeing this one.

My reference book calls this the 'Folding Bowie", and at 5 1/4" it is a bruiser. Most companies call a similar pattern knife a 'folding hunter', and it is one of my favorite patterns.

The book states it was made from 1970 to 1983. Not much of the other info applies to your knife, as it's obviously a special issue.

I hope our LT drops in and puts in his valuable 2 cents.

Phil
 
Jesse's 227UH.
Looks like real stag to me!
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Hello, while Schrade did make a lot of special issues and alot of them were in stag and many were virtually unknown this one is quite unique it has lined bolsters the scales ( handles ) are not correct for regular schrade stag and the file work is just a bit different. When I saw the picture I immediately felt it was customized and had to stop for a minute to put it all together. Of course the exact tang marking is always a help but in this case I think ( not positive ) I know the answer. During the 80 tys a man named Herman Williams did some shows in conjunction with Schrade he did some amazing work customizing and restoring Schrade knives. He often sold his work as well as promoting Schrade at these shows. ( See Jim Sargent American premium guide to pocket knives first edition). I believe this to be one of his knives. If your dad went to shows or knew Herman it is possible he bought it directly from him. When Herman realized that man does not ( or cannot live by the love of knives alone ). He went back south and took a regular job. He is an amazing wealth of information and his work is only equaled on these knives by one or two others in the world he may well have been the best there ever was or is regarding these items. Schrade used Hermans knives ( when he went back south he sold his entire collection to Schrade ), as the models for the stag handled models they made in the ensuing years. This facet of this history is so little known that Hermans knifes quite often do not bring the kind of prices they should because people do not know of him or what they are looking at, also not usually being signed or having provanance or a certificate with them makes it even tougher to tell. I saw a bowie on ebay that didn't make 100 dollar reserve. I didn't bid it because I thought it would be much higher ( it had a certificate from Herman ). I missed the end of the auction and contacted the seller he told me the reserve but said he had changed his mind about selling ( I didn't blame him a bit ). Anyway I may be wrong but that is my opinion. Some history as to the tang marking and what you might know about it could help. LT
 
Dayum, LT. You never cease to amaze us with your knowledge. Nice info.

These are not UH's, but same pattern more or less...
 

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I really appreciate the information guys. LT any idea on the value from low to high, my Dad was asking about it as I shared all the information you gave. He did not know Herman he picked up the knife at a garage sale for a song and dance I hear! Seems like a heirloom to me. :D
 
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from the book "Sargents American Premium Guide to Pocket Knives, Identification and Values" 1986
 
from the book mentioned above by LT.
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In my first post to this thread, I mentioned how I consulted one of my references and could provide a tiny bit of information. Of course I have the book LT mentioned in his thread, containing info on probable artist who worked on the knife. But I was lacking SO MUCH info to put the pieces together. Despite any amount of reference materials any of us buy, no matter how much we study, no matter how many questions we ask, there is just simply no substitute for handling many, many knives, and talking to many, many knife people.

Phil
 
Unfortunately the price especially with out any history is not going to be what it should, also aside from the jigged bone Schrade Walden and Schrade Cut versions of these, this pattern for some reason does not do well. Price 50 to 100. Just put it away in 20 years it will do alot better and you have a really great knife. LT
 
Just wanted to know the value, not thinking of selling as my father gave me this one. I really appreciate everything that you guys were able to come up with. You are definitely a wealth of information. looking to hold on to this one a long long time, pass it on to my son when he is older.
 
Jesse, I'm so glad you are not seeking to sell the knife... good for you. No doubt your son will be glad to own it someday, a momento of both his father and grandfather.

Jesse, you are sticking around here, now that we've answered your questions, aren't you? We've got to make sure you become a rabid Schrade collector like the rest of us.


Phil
 
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