Some new arrivals - Higonokami and Camillus TL-29

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Yesterday I tried updating my thread on the Douk-Douk but I ran into some problems (some issues with vBulletin probably) and wasn't able to post. A new thread then! Here's what I wrote down yesterday, with some minor adjustments and additions:

See, you know the day is going to be awesome when the mail guy brings you two packages... Something that I like a lot about this hobby is that you often get packages from around the globe. The knife I started this thread about was French . Just now, I received a package from France, containing a USA made blade. The other package came from Japan. You guys see where I'm going. I'm just fond of that interconnectedness and the stories and history that go with it.

The package from Japan contained a nice yellow box with a blue rectangle and some Japanese markings. Most of you will already know what it is. The other blade, I recently won at auction. It had some rusting and patina, some pitting, some scratches and pits in the nice wooden handle but that was OK given the price I paid.

Without further ado, here they are:

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That's right, a Higonokami and a Camillus TL-29! I had been interested in that Higonokami for a bit and decided to get one. I've heard that one in a given amount is badly made but I didn't mind taking the risk and I'm glad I didn't. That knife just screams history! The blade with that specific shape, the engravings on the blade and the handle, the three different colorations in the blade... I dig it. A lot. I stumbled upon that Camillus rather on accident. Nobody seemed to have been watching it, which is often the case on non-us auction sites. I often try to get lucky there. As I said, it could have been in better shape but it's OK. Some slight wiggly here and there, but definitely good as a user and overall just a nice update for my collection. The bladeshape has been well proven in Swiss Army Knives and other Electricians knives so that was a no-brainer. I'm glad I got it.

Here's another picture of the stamp on the Camillus. If anyone has a timeframe for this guy, I'd appreciate it. I've seen an older thread here on the forums, but sometimes it's just not that clear for me from just looking at pictures. This pic shows the blade still rusty, but in the meantime I cleaned up the orange rust with rubbing some WD40 on it with a piece of cloth, and treating it with some polishing compoung afterwards. The engraving is rather difficult to clean from the orange rust. I'll need some time on that with a some toothpicks and a needle I guess.

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Now for the Higonokami: it was a good purchase. I'm glad I opted for the smaller variant because that totally fits the (total and blade-)length I dig most in knives.
It's pretty much spot on in total length with the small Douk-Douk:


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As I said already, I'm pretty fond of the blade shape. It's a nice reminder of a different culture, but yet something that would work evenly well as something similar made at the other side of the globe. The acute tip would come in handy as well, that's a very nice feature. I do want to highlight some of the more striking differences with the Douk-Douk.
First of all, let's look at the thickness of both blades.


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The Douk-Douk at the bottom is way thinner than the Higonokami on top! I haven't been trying it out yet, but I'm curious to the difference in cutting performance. I often hear the saying "the right tool for the right job" or something similar, and I'm curious to experience where one of these blades would outperform the other in day-to-day light cutting tasks.


Next thing to talk about would be ergonomics. Both knives have folded metal as handle material. Both are closed at the spine and open at the bottom. Therefore, none of these would ever be known for their superb ergonomics, because they don't have it. The edges of the metal are rounded, but do dig into your palm quite deep. It doesn't hurt, but it might get annoying after a while. The feeling of the Higonokami annoys me more than that of the Douk-Douk. Probably because the bottom of the Higo handle is straight, whereas in the Douk it's shaped better to fit someone's hand.


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Another thing I'd like to mention is that since the Douk-Douk is a slipjoint, it allows you to choke up on the blade and grip it close to the tip with your thumb. This allows for detailed cutting tasks. Since you put pressure against the spine, you shouldn't worry about it closing on you, even if your pressure on the object you're cutting into would lighten. The backspring is still there to correct your thumb pressure somewhat. That's not the case with the Higonokami. It's merely a friction folder. You have to exert energy on the extended tang for the blade to remain opened. If you put pressure near the tip or somewhere on top of the spine in general, it'll close on you. Since they're pretty sharp out of the box, that would not be a nice experience. Use it with caution and know what you're going to do with it and make sure that it's up for the task. And just... stay attentive while using it:thumbup:. One final remark: since there's no spring, the blade is held in place merely by friction. That causes the edge to hit the back of the handle sometimes. Luckily, it's made of Hitachi blue steel which is quite the steel for this low price. Hence, I won't be expecting dulling of the edge soon, but it's something to keep in mind.


In the end, I'm really happy with both purchases! I hope you guys liked my little write-up on my new arrivals.


I'll conclude with a group picture of the 3 blades I mentioned in this post:


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Cool knives, I always use a wooden food skewer in such things like the rust in the stampings - along with Mineral oil.
 
Good right up!:thumbup::thumbup:

I was looking at the Higonokami because of my growing interest in friction folders, started by my Resolza from Fausto. Now I'm intrigued with friction folders from around the world.

For the red rust in the Camillus stamping, use an old toothbrush to get the WD-40 in all the crevasses. Old toothbrushes are a knife nuts best friend.:thumbup:

Carl.
 
Great review! Those old TL's are great knives, i'm sure you'll love it.
 
Great pics. Thanks for the comparison shots as I've been wanting a Douk Douk. I have a Higonokami like yours and like it a lot. You can make them sooooo sharp with little effort. Be careful!
Here is my kiridashi Higonokami that arrived from Japan earlier this week.


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nice!
the douk douk and the higonokami along with the mercator black cat are a triumvirate of knives with folded metal for a handle. the mercator has a lock (although i have seen a non-locking version offered for sale some places).

i do not have a higonokami although i like them and intend to get one eventually. i will be interested to hear more about the higonokami once you have used it some.
 
Although I don't carry my Higo it is a nice conversation piece when I introduce knives to people. As mentioned it comes scary hair popping sharp.
 
Loving these write-ups! Your hard working knife collection is coming along nicely :)

I've had three Nagao Higonokamis in the past and the F&F is definitely a gamble. One came perfectly tightened and centered and the other two were rickety floppy rubbing messes. I had no luck peening the pin, but then I've never had much luck with mechanical alterations :p

The spine thickness definitely make them big wedges that don't lend very well to food prep... Still, rad minimalist knives with a great history.

Keep 'em coming! (as you budget allows of course ;) )
 
Nice score on both knives. Regarding the TL-29 age, the general date range I've seen attributed to that tang stamp is 1960-1976. Whether the wood covers with the "TL-29" imprint can narrow that down any more...I'm not sure. Some of the guys with a lot more Camillus knowledge may be able to speak to that.
 
Cool knives, I always use a wooden food skewer in such things like the rust in the stampings - along with Mineral oil.

Thank you! I've used some toothpicks, a couple of needles and a tooth brush combined with some mineral oil and it's already looking better now. Good tip

Good right up!:thumbup::thumbup:

I was looking at the Higonokami because of my growing interest in friction folders, started by my Resolza from Fausto. Now I'm intrigued with friction folders from around the world.

For the red rust in the Camillus stamping, use an old toothbrush to get the WD-40 in all the crevasses. Old toothbrushes are a knife nuts best friend.:thumbup:

Carl.

Thanks for the tip on the toothbrush, that did help. Friction folders are actually very cool and handy, I use 'em quite a lot.

Great review! Those old TL's are great knives, i'm sure you'll love it.

Yeah I've come to like it already! I wonder if the steel is 1095? If so, than I'm in for a nice patina over time. It already has one now, but it's with deep pitting and not that equally spread. I hope that changes over time (of course I can't do anything about the pits that are already there). The overall design is very appealing as well. The wood is very rich, especially after a coat of oil or WD40. The brass really makes it stand out.

Great pics. Thanks for the comparison shots as I've been wanting a Douk Douk. I have a Higonokami like yours and like it a lot. You can make them sooooo sharp with little effort. Be careful!
Here is my kiridashi Higonokami that arrived from Japan earlier this week.

The Douk is a great knife. As you might have guessed I'm more fond of the small one, but either one of both seizes will suit you. Cool inexpensive knives with a rich history and they're RAZORS!

nice!
the douk douk and the higonokami along with the mercator black cat are a triumvirate of knives with folded metal for a handle. the mercator has a lock (although i have seen a non-locking version offered for sale some places).

i do not have a higonokami although i like them and intend to get one eventually. i will be interested to hear more about the higonokami once you have used it some.

The Mercator is very high on my list, just because of that reason. I'm planning on completing that triumvirate. I'll be going on a holiday to Germany and I'm hoping to find one there in a shop here or there... I've been having the Higo in my pocket for a day and it has held up well. In contrast with what I've read in other comments, mine didn't come razor sharp but did have a good working edge. I used it to open up some packaging and it definitely excells at that. The acute tip allows for swift puncture of the packaging, while the thick spine creates a wedge which then really splits the packaging apart. Good stuff! Did not yet use it for food prep. I'm also curious to how the steel would sharpen up. We'll see.

Although I don't carry my Higo it is a nice conversation piece when I introduce knives to people. As mentioned it comes scary hair popping sharp.

Yep it is. Even though it looks (and is) somewhat crude in some spots, overall it just looks good and interesting. Especially the blade is something that people aren't used to in the West. Good conversation piece indeed.

Loving these write-ups! Your hard working knife collection is coming along nicely :)

I've had three Nagao Higonokamis in the past and the F&F is definitely a gamble. One came perfectly tightened and centered and the other two were rickety floppy rubbing messes. I had no luck peening the pin, but then I've never had much luck with mechanical alterations :p

The spine thickness definitely make them big wedges that don't lend very well to food prep... Still, rad minimalist knives with a great history.

Keep 'em coming! (as you budget allows of course ;) )

Yeah that collection definitely is growing. Just got another Ka-Bar stockman from the bay a couple of days ago for quite cheap. Wanted to get a Boker Congress but I missed out on that one though. I think I'll be saving up for now. I still have a trip to Germany to fund and I might take a detour through Solingen so... I might need the monieezzz :D

I'm glad mine came OK, because as you said, it's a gamble. I'm not that great with tinkering either:thumbup:

Nice score on both knives. Regarding the TL-29 age, the general date range I've seen attributed to that tang stamp is 1960-1976. Whether the wood covers with the "TL-29" imprint can narrow that down any more...I'm not sure. Some of the guys with a lot more Camillus knowledge may be able to speak to that.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the age-thingy. I was also leaning towards the seventies but wasn't sure of my assumption. I hope others might chime in as well, but I already appreciate your input a lot. Thanks!
 
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I've several Camillus TL-29's in my collection and some date to WWII I'd say by the wood handle and tang stamp it's from the 30's
 
You've got interesting taste, I too am impressed by the Higonokamis, and have a couple of them, the steel is great, I've got one in Super blue, and another in SK-5. Very sharp knives, with a geometry perfected for woodwork, or lighter tasks. The Tl 29 is a stateside classic, very utilitarian pattern, that's a must for any traditional collection. I view it as the original, unaltered, multi tool.
 
I've several Camillus TL-29's in my collection and some date to WWII I'd say by the wood handle and tang stamp it's from the 30's

Wow, that would be interesting. I'm curious to other people's opinions!

You've got interesting taste, I too am impressed by the Higonokamis, and have a couple of them, the steel is great, I've got one in Super blue, and another in SK-5. Very sharp knives, with a geometry perfected for woodwork, or lighter tasks. The Tl 29 is a stateside classic, very utilitarian pattern, that's a must for any traditional collection. I view it as the original, unaltered, multi tool.

Well I must agree. Yesterday I also tried some woodwork and it just rips the wood apart. I put a 40° inclusive polished edge on it and now it's pretty scary too. That TL is looking great too, nice piece of history. Interesting to see that many brands used the same design in the middle of the previous century.
 
Two classic working knives, nice post :thumbup:
 
I've several Camillus TL-29's in my collection and some date to WWII I'd say by the wood handle and tang stamp it's from the 30's

I'm curious what it is about the stamp that would suggest 1930s to you. I can't recall seeing an example of a pre-WWII knife where the Camillus name was not in serif font like the ones below. That plus the long line under Camillus in the OP's knife doesn't jive with it being that old in my opinion.

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Two classic working knives, nice post :thumbup:

Thanks Jack, I appreciate it!

I'm curious what it is about the stamp that would suggest 1930s to you. I can't recall seeing an example of a pre-WWII knife where the Camillus name was not in serif font like the ones below. That plus the long line under Camillus in the OP's knife doesn't jive with it being that old in my opinion.

Thanks for chiming in on the date of the Camillus. Would somewhere in the 70s be your guess as well? I think the stamp corresponds the most to that. Not sure about the wooden handles.
 
Just wanted to add some thoughts on the blade of the Higonokami hitting the back of the brass sheath handles. I'm not sure how long it would take for it to dull the knife, but the sound of metal touching metal did make me cringe so I thought I'd try to figure something out and this is what I did.

All you need is your Higonokami, a plastic bottle cap with threading and some adhesive. I chose wood glue because it's an adhesive not ment to be used on metal/plastic so if I wanted to remove the adjustment I'll be explaining here, I could easily do so without screwing up the knife.

So, your Higo and a plastic bottle cap...
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This is what you'll need: the threading inside the cap.
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Slice out a little piece...
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And then you'll have this.
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What we're after however is the tiny 'gutter' in the middle, made by the threading. Just cut next to the sides of the threading and you'll end up with this.
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Use a drop of the adhesive you chose, and place this tingy right where your blade touches the inside of the handles (you'll notice the scratch marks). I did this yesterday with an orange cap without taking pics, that's why it's a different color than the previous ones ;-)
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Et voilà, the blade will rest in the middle of the freshly installed piece of plastic threading:thumbup:
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If you would dislike the look of that piece of plastic, you could always add a drop of brass/gold coloured paint. Some modeling paint would be a good choice imo.
 
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