Some Thoughts for Believers

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Vivi

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I was raised going to church and a private Christian school. This waned as the years went on and eventually I stopped going to both. Never once did I believe in the divine / mystical concepts of what I was being taught.

To this day, I still do not. I don't believe in the concept of divinity, God, a creator etc. I am not completely sure what I feel in regards to say, the existence of our universe, but I don't feel I believe in the Christian view.

Today was my second day at a reformed baptist church. I went last Sunday as well. Two people had stopped by my place on a door to door thing and I had a nice conversation with them and told them I'd stop by and check things out. I've enjoyed myself greatly both times and today their was a guest preacher with a very powerful style.

Prettymuch everything that is said in that building I agree with. The need to kill off our pride and become humble peoples, that commiting sinful actions never results in increased positivity in ourselves, that we are inheritly imperfect, that we are not to judge our fellow man, that actions tell more than appearance or spoken words, the importance of honesty and simplicity, offering help to all we come across, turning the other cheek at those who do us wrong....I think you get the idea.

Basically I have no disagreements with the vast majority of the moral teachings of The Bible and Christianity. However, I still do not believe in God nor do I feel I am going to. I have on more than one occaison, given what I feel an honest, fully-hearted attempt to seek him out or request a place for him in my life. I feel nothing. I hear nothing. I believe nothing.

Sometime soon I am going to set aside a day devoted to seeking out God. It's an odd position I'm in, being in agreement with the religion so much but defying the very thing that its core depicts, accepting Christ.

I don't even know why I'm attempting to seek out God. A big part of me just wants answers and knowledge to everything. Another part sees it as a challenge in certain ways. I feel maybe I am going about it for the wrong reasons. But it's hard to feel genuine about something you feel isn't true to begin with, no?

Like today we were discussing in general how through Christ we become more like him and therefore become better, more wholesome people. I see myself doing this on my own and I feel I'm doing decent, though of course I have not, and will not reach perfection in any area I strive in. The possibility has occured to me that assuming God is indeed out there, maybe I have not fully given up on the idea that I am all I need, that I can improve myself to satisfaction etc. That despite my humble nature, I've failed to reach true humility within myself as I still hold my person in high esteem in regards to what I feel capable of doing. At the same time though I recognize my limitations, how despite the remarkable progress I've made with my temper, I will never have complete control over my anger. How I will never be perfect in ANY aspect of my life.

I want to give it a chance, I see no reason not to give it an honest shot. If I end up not believing after doing so, I'll be at no loss compared to where I was before. If anything, church will offer me knowledge about one of the worlds most powerful schools of thought, moral principles to live by and some insightful people willing to discuss life with me.
 
I am giving fair warning....if this thread deteriorates in any way that doesn't jive with the Community Forum Rules I will have to move it. I normally do not let religious threads stay in this forum but I wil make an exception in this case due to its soul searching nature. If it strays from the topic it will be moved.
 
Vivi , you are really shaking the tree. I don't want to deprive you from your right to ask questions or start discussion.
The internet is a diverse community of different cultures and vieuws.
But please remember that what in your vieuw is a legitimate question could touch people in their basic fundamental vieuws of life.
Starting a discussion about drug use or religious affairs has the potency to disrupt the balance of such a fragile virtual community.
My belief is that everyone is searching for happiness.
You should ask yourselve if the benefits you will receive from discussing such volatile subjects more important then the fragile "peace" on this forum.
Debate and research into important aspects of life is neccesary but is this the right place to do so?

I believe that you are poking inside a beehive to see if anyone is willing to interact with you.
Not everyone who visits this forum is looking for a good poking. Some visit this forum to ventilate VERY important personal thoughts.

I clearly remember the post of a forumite who lost his son due to a drugoverdose.
Maybe this is not the time or the place to stir these emotions.
 
I guess all I can say is that I will pray for you to find God since it doesn't seem that I'm allowed to "stirr the pot" by sharing my faith in Christ on this forum. I also go to a Baptist church and I think that you will find the answers that you seek in time but although I believe that God can work miracles overnight, I would hate to see you give up after one day. Like I said, I will pray for you and encourage others to do as well. Also there is a Christian section at knifeforums.com. I think I will spend more time there and give them my money since they don't mind me stiring thier pot. Below is a link to the forum I mentioned.

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/37/
 
gunslinger said:
I guess all I can say is that I will pray for you to find God since it doesn't seem that I'm allowed to "stirr the pot" by sharing my faith in Christ on this forum.

One thing I learned growing up is that you never talk religion or politics in mixed company. You never know you might offend. There are forums devoted to such topics where you can share your views with those of like mind. Unfortunately BFC has no such forum devoted to religion. Most topics discussing religion get moved to the Political Arena. Ken Cox welcomes such discussion. I don't allow it in this forum due such topics having a very volatile nature. Share your views all you want but I ask that you don't preach and try to convince those of us who are no-believers to accept your god as our savior (not that you have).
 
I'm a very religious person myself, but I will be the first to say that this is a knife discussion forum. Religion creeps in a little bit here and there; for many of use, it's part of our lives, so you'll have that. But this sort of thread can really serve no productive purpose that I can see.

The history of such threads in the political forum is that they just turn into massive flame fights. Nobody is convinced of anything except that the "other side" are a bunch of idiots... and that's not really a good accomplishment.

There really isn't a good forum here at bf.c for religous debates. At least one other knife discussion site I'm aware of has such a forum. But Spark hasn't seen fit to have one on this site (and I'm inclined to agree with that decision.) Not all forum sites are for discussing all topics. Spark has put this site up and funds it primarily to discuss knives, not religion. If you want to talk religion, take it to a site set up for that purpose.
 
Gollnick said:
I'm a very religious person myself, but I will be the first to say that this is a knife discussion forum. Religion creeps in a little bit here and there; for many of use, it's part of our lives, so you'll have that. But this sort of thread can really serve no productive purpose that I can see.

The history of such threads in the political forum is that they just turn into massive flame fights. Nobody is convinced of anything except that the "other side" are a bunch of idiots... and that's not really a good accomplishment.

There really isn't a good forum here at bf.c for religous debates. At least one other knife discussion site I'm aware of has such a forum. But Spark hasn't seen fit to have one on this site (and I'm inclined to agree with that decision.) Not all forum sites are for discussing all topics. Spark has put this site up and funds it primarily to discuss knives, not religion. If you want to talk religion, take it to a site set up for that purpose.

And with that said I am locking this thread. It is set up to degenerate into a flame fest and it's the best thing to do in this instance.
 
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