Some tree chopping, 15" AK and CS Rifleman's Hawk

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Used the 3 day weekend to chop down a couple of hackberry trees on the back lot. I did not really intend to use any of my Khuks as a ax, but I was inspired by the chopping prowess of the folks on this forum. I had picked up a 15' AK blem as a "user" or a "do it all" camp knife, so I pulled it out to go head to head with my old Rifleman's hawk from Cold Steel. Let me start by saying that I really like this hachet. It is big, heavy, and has a long enough handle for a 2 handed grip, if needed. I have used it quite a bit, and am a novice at wood chopping with the AK. my tets was somewhat unscientific, I gave the slightly smaller tree to the hawk, I would use 4 strokes, then switch to the other tree/blade and do 4 strokes. Made a couple of observations. First couple of chops, the hawk cut deeper, but then the AK caught up due to 2 factors. First, a full swing with the hawk did not seem as accurate as the khuk. I easily put the khuk right where I wanted it, but had to take a little off the swing with the hawk if I wanted precision. The second factor was that the hawk's rough surface held a LOT of sap that reduced penetration, the mirror finish on the Khuk seemed to allow the depth of cut to stay the same, even with the sap on the blade.
My final discovery was one of technique. By changing my wrist angle slightly, I could cut nearly 270 degrees around the trunk with the curved blade, without changing my foot position. This was important as the notch got deep. Both trees were alongside an old fence, and it was difficult to change my position to get the best angle with the hawk, but I could point the wrist down to cut past the notch, or back to cut in front of it, when using the AK.
I had expected to come back and say "Ok, how do you guys cut down a tree with these knives?" but actually, the tree went down fast and easy, the AK actually out performing the Rifleman's Tomahawk in both number of cuts and effort expended. However, further testing revealed the hawk to be much superior at driving nails and fence posts! (it has a hammerhead on the back, for those who have never seen one). End result, I still love the big tomahawk, but the 15" AK is now high on my recommended list as well.

 
I had to do some chopping today too.I went for a ride on my 4wheeler and there was a pine tree in the trail.Usually I would have said a few choice words then rode home for a chainsaw,but not now since i have khukuris with me every time i hit the trail.I was actually glad the tree had fallen
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So anyway,it was a pretty good size pine,about a 10-12 inch diameter.I put my forward curver to work and went through the tree in just a few minutes.It was alot of fun and a pretty good workout too.Ive got axes,chainsaws etc but who needs em?
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Oh yeah,my other companion is always my CS LTC for weeds,light brush.I tried a few strokes with that,might as well have been chopping though a steel bar,Bounced right off
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[This message has been edited by Robert Cole (edited 09-05-2000).]
 
There was a time when I dreaded doing the pruning and chopping required to maintain the trees and shrubs around the house, but now that I suffer from HIKV I never miss a chance to do a little touch-up trimming. In fact, I've "touched up" some of the shrubs and smaller trees so much that they practically look like fence posts.
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[This message has been edited by Steven F (edited 09-05-2000).]
 
I have a CS rifleman's hawk, and it's OK, but I don't find it the performer my Gransfors hatchet is. I think the CS would benefit in control and power from a handle with a little pistol grip instead of dead straight. (I have a Firestone belt axe that has too much pistol grip. Alas for them all, the Gransfor is "just right".)

Now, having said that, my Uncle Bill Especiale chops as well as the Gransfors hatchet, at least the one time I compared them in breaking up some sycamore limbs. People have said if you need to chop wood, get a hatchet, and this has been true enough until the UBE. I've since sold off some big bowies that would not hold a candle to either the UBE or the Gransfors, figuring if I need a big knife that chops well I've finally found it in the UBE.
 
A lot of people tell me they don't like the straight handle. I guess I am an ergonomic oddity, I much prefer the straight handle, since it lets me change my grip position when chopping at odd angles or in confined spaces. What is amazing is that the 15" AK is on the small side of the Khuks prefered by forum members. I can only imagine how hard some of the big blades must hit.
 
Though I'm fairly new to the world of khukuris (I got my first one about a year ago), I've used hatchets for many years and often for long periods of time at a stretch, and I'm with Jack -- I much prefer the straight handle for the long haul.
 
Kevin,thanks to you my pack just got two pounds heavier,I guess its time to give the UBE its first big test.Whenever i go hiking for the day,and i dont plan on spending the night,my alice pack is usually filled with two things: a bottle of water,and about 10 pounds of khuk.
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Kevinb17,
The 'Hawk was never intended as a primary tool for chopping. It was designed as a Weapon first. The stright handle lends itself much better to combat than does a curved one. Secondly the head fits on from the butt end and is held in place because of an internal taper in the socket....the wedge efect, It keeps the head from flying off at at bad moment during a fight!
Dan
 
Jack,

What is the weight of your Hawk and Ang Khola?

I was out with my 15” Ang Khola this weekend too. It is great to carry around due to its lightweight and small size. The GRS or 20” Ang Khola would reduced my chopping effort by a factor of 3-4.

Will
 
Will, my AK is approx 28 ounces, the Hawk is 32 ounces (per the Cold Steel catalog, I have not weighed it).
 
My Ang Khola is not quite that heavy, its a baby at 22 oz.

By the way, I found wood chips about 10' from where I was chopping with the 15" Ang Khola.

Will
 
More like Mad Beaver with the 15" Ang Khola. I saw a fair size pit dug beaver too.

The GRS would move me up a few notches.

I climbed an apple tree to chop down a limb. I was able to chop with only one arm as I had to stabilize myself with the other. As I was getting in position I was about to call for the chain saw (I know its not safe to use one arm with a chain saw) when I decided to give the khukuri a try. The khukuri did the job and safely too.

Will



[This message has been edited by Will Kwan (edited 09-08-2000).]
 
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