Somebody tell me what "shark expert" means

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Two attacks in three days.
Yet somehow the shark experts say its unusual.
Every 36 hours someone is attacked or killed by a shark and its unusual?
1/3 of all shark attacks on Earth happen in Florida and its unusual?
Theres no reason to cancel my reservation at the Beachside Sheraton, you say?
Extra sheriffs patrols gonna make it safe again, you say?
 
DannyinJapan said:
Somebody tell me what "shark expert" means.
Shark = A flesh eating fish that can grow quite large.

Expert --- To define expert you have to break it down into it's smallest components so therefore ---

Ex = Something that no longer exists.
Spurt = A small drop of water.

Therefore Ex-pert = Ex-Spurt = A small drop of water that no longer exists.

Shark Expert = Shark Ex-Spurt = A small drop of water that was once experienced in the ways of sharks but no longer exists ---
Shark ExSpurt = Nothing important.

:rolleyes: :p ;) :D
 
We're going to need a bigger boat...




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Hey! I was a shark expert once.....yep, tastes real good chopped in steaks and fried in oil...! :o :cool: :p
 
seriously, though....the problem with "shark bites" is that many times they are barracuda...so the numbers can be wildly out of proportion some years.

Fact is, if you're on a boogey board out 100 yards flapping around....you're asking to get bit...you're begging for it...you're teasing and egging them on...if people could see the water from overhead, they'd probably never go to the beach. :eek:


Down in Georgia we used to bring in 3 and 4 foot bullnose and hammerhead sharks from the surf in the late summer evenings all the time. Freaked people out. Got us in trouble sometimes too because people somehow thought that since we were baiting for shark, we were "drawing them in". :rolleyes:

They are there...right under your feet. Barracuda too. Some folks will never learn. Sadly, takes a big "coincidence" like this one to catch their attention. :(
 
gotta disagree with Yvsa this time, tho his train of thought is similar to mine.

shark=Any of numerous elongate mostly marine carnivorous fishes with heterocercal caudal fins and tough skin covered with small toothlike scales

expert=A person with special knowledge or ability who performs skilfully

there was a movie a few years ago about a 'secret' lab out in the ocean where they were investigating why sharks never get cancer, they made the mistake of combining shark & human DNA, the result was a shark with human intelligence (who wound up killing all of the humans but one) - obviously one of the smart sharks escaped, and now works as a consultant. the shark expert.
 
kronckew said:
gotta disagree with Yvsa this time, tho his train of thought is similar to mine.
Well Hell, it was bound to happen sooner or later.:rolleyes: :footinmou :p ;) :D

kronckew said:
shark=Any of numerous elongate mostly marine carnivorous fishes with heterocercal caudal fins and tough skin covered with small toothlike scales

expert=A person with special knowledge or ability who performs skilfully

there was a movie a few years ago about a 'secret' lab out in the ocean where they were investigating why sharks never get cancer, they made the mistake of combining shark & human DNA, the result was a shark with human intelligence (who wound up killing all of the humans but one) - obviously one of the smart sharks escaped, and now works as a consultant. the shark expert.
Hmmm, wonder if the shark expert moonlights as a lawyer, no offense Berk or Jennifer.;) :D :footinmou
 
Like child abductions, the media is now creating a crisis by reporting every incident so we are aware of what's been going on for decades. Stay in your home, tuned to this channel! Otherwise, the sharks might get you.
 
Yvsa said:
Well Hell, it was bound to happen sooner or later.:rolleyes: :footinmou :p ;) :D

Hmmm, wonder if the shark expert moonlights as a lawyer, no offense Berk or Jennifer.;) :D :footinmou
i thought about that one myself, but decided i didn't want to insult the sharks by comparing them to lawyers.
 
As a sport diver, I always sort of thought "shark expert" was the term used to describe the next person most likely to get chewed on.

It's funny...during dives, I simply give them as wide a berth as possible and try to keep an eye on them (especially some of the large Bull sharks I've seen), but when going to the beach for a casual swim, I am almost 100% successful in putting them out of my mind.

As Dan said...there *are* right there...often not even 100 yards out.

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DannyinJapan said:
Two attacks in three days.
Yet somehow the shark experts say its unusual.
Every 36 hours someone is attacked or killed by a shark and its unusual?
1/3 of all shark attacks on Earth happen in Florida and its unusual?
Theres no reason to cancel my reservation at the Beachside Sheraton, you say?
Extra sheriffs patrols gonna make it safe again, you say?
By your own figures, there must be a shark attack in Florida every 4 1/2 days. Given the lack of news reporting about this, the tourist bureau must be hard at work.. :D I'm guessing that, reported or unreported (more likely), that there are more people consumed by sharks around Hong Kong harbor and Macao not too far away than anywhere else on earth. Seeing tens of thousands of junks, sampans et al, lined up wall to wall has to be seen to be believed, and I believe I saw more shark fins there than anywhere else on earth. Every kind of skin and entrails, chicken, fish and pork, garbage of all kinds go over the sides of ? 100,000 boats every day, day and night, a veritable shark buffet to keep them right there waiting for anyone whose foot slips or gets pushed....Gheeesh!!! :eek:
 
<sigh> another "Summer of the Sharks" to whip the media into a frenzy (pun intended;)). Ok, how many of you guys have had an intro to stats class? Ever heard about the correlation between ice cream sales and shark attacks? It's really freakin' hot across the country right now. Kids are out of school, too. EVERYONE flocks to the beaches. It doesn't take an "expert" to tell ya that the more people that put their lil' piggies in the water that more lil' piggies are going to get bitten off. From what I have read, JurassicNarc is pretty much spot on. More people aren't bitten in Florida. More people are reported bitten. Florida has very strict guidelines about reporting shark bites. Most shark bites are small sharks that don't even draw blood. Are more people getting attacked than usual? no, not really. not if you look at the amount of people in the water in June and July. I say relax, enjoy your vacation, don't splash like a wounded seal, and you'll probably make it out of the water just fine. Like Dan said, if you only knew how many critters wif big o pointy teef were out there, you probably wouldn't want to get in the water. Just think of the carnage if the sharks one day decided that people actually taste good.

Jake
 
That is all probably true, but we have one teenager dead and one teenager missing a leg inside of a week.
It doesnt feel like a statistical normalcy.
 
"Summer of the Shark's" Time magazine cover victim was a little boy named Jessie Arbogast (also from Louisiana, I think) who spectacularly got his arm torn off at Pensacola Beach a couple years ago. It was an amazing fight as the boy's uncle and bystanders punched, kicked and dragged the shark up on the sand, where a park service guy shot carefully in the head til it quit, then they got the boys arm out of it's mouth and eventually it was reattached.

Aliens aren't controlling the sharks- they're just a lot of them out there. Summer is the time when we enter their space. The sharks are there in the winter too, it's just that we're not swimming then.

More dangerous are the rip currents which kill people here every single year, yet the media doean't have a nationwide flashy story when someone drowns.

Sharks suck and are a fact of a life spent around water. Both lil' Jessie and the boy yesterday were surf fishing/around surf fishing. Don't swim where people are fishing. Duh., but people do it.

My huge shark story (obligatory):

In a boat. Fishing. Dunked in the water, looking through an aquascope (foam box with glass window, used for seeing beneath the surface), spotting snappers for buds to cast to. Working great, directing their casts.... "OK, a couple feet farther... let it sink!" Like that.

Suddenly a black curtain was pulled over the 'scope. "Hey! What the he__, you guys- it's black- what's goin on?"

I didn't know it, but I was seeing the back of a very large shark, come to EAT our chum bag. It came from the other side of the boat and passed right under the scope, blotted out the whole view. Glad it didn't nibble on the scope...


Ad Astra

:grumpy: :footinmou :mad:
 
While I was working at the Monterey Bay Aquarium we were told that the boy from the Pensacola attack was in the water by his uncle. Te uncle cought the shark in his fishing line and the kid rised the small shark from the water by the tail. In the other attack of the "summer of the shark", there where sharks in the water, and the people went into the water to see them closer. In any case, anything you do in the water can get you bitten, even just been there.

tbar
 
House Rules...

How's that go?


You come in MY house, I make the rules.

Works for the oceans too, I'd guess.

I'd suspect that sharks don't have a lot of original thoughts:


(Cleveland Sharks?!!?)

The very earliest signs of sharks are minute fossil scales and teeth which are found in rocks from the late Silurian to early Devonian period {around 400 million years ago). It becomes more and more difficult, however, to identify shark scales in older rocks because they closely resemble those from jawless fishes called the lodonts, which lived at the same time. Only microscopic differences separate shark and the lodont scales, and the two kinds seem to become more and more alike the further one goes back.

A similar problem exists with ancient shark teeth, which did not seem to be present in rocks older than those from the mid-Devonian. It now seems that the reason for this was that scientists were not looking in the right places, and that early shark teeth were often very small. In 1986 teeth were found in Lower Devonian rocks from Spain which belonged to a group of sharks called Xenacanthids.

Although there is evidence of earlier sharks, the first complete fossils of shark-like fishes have been discovered in mid-Devonian rocks. Most frequently found are members of the genus Cladoselache, streamlined fish that grew to a length of about two meters.

Fortunately, complete specimens of Cladoselache have been preserved in the remarkable Cleveland shales, so quite a lot is known about them.

They had five pairs of gill slits, a fin spine and all the same fins as modern sharks, except for an anal fin. These spines, which become more common and elaborate in later sharks, and which still persist in some species today; were positioned in front of the dorsal fins and acted as cutwaters. Cladoselache had distinctive teeth with a large central cusp flanked by sever-al smaller points, and apparently they lived on small fish -the remains of which have been found in the stomachs of fossilized specimens. These sharks are not now considered to be the main line leading to the modern species.

Although sharks and shark-like fishes have a long history, the modern sharks (Cneoselachians) did not rise to dominance until after the Jurassic period, when, for some reason that is not yet clear, many of the more ancient forms had become extinct. Some Jurassic sharks are closely related to modern sharks, and this gives many present-day shark families histories which stretch back for 135 million years or more. The skates and rays, another group of cartilaginous fishes, also appeared in the mid-Jurassic, but they did not really come into their own until the Tertiary period, between 65 and 2 million years ago, when they were able to exploit a dramatic rise in the numbers of bivalve shellfish in the oceans.

The fossil record of modern sharks is fairly good, but again it normally consists only of hard parts such as teeth and scales. The appearance and relationships of present-day groups are well understood compared with the situation in the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras. Oceans in the Cretaceous period (140 to 65 million years ago) were dominated by goblin, sand, probable, nurse, cow and angel sharks. Early sawfishes appeared and later evolved into the modern sawsharks. At the beginning of the Tertiary period, the gray nurse sharks were found in large numbers. All modern forms of sharks were present in seas of the Miocene epoch (25 to 5 million years ago), including the giant Carcharodon megalodon, perhaps the most awesome of all sharks, now extinct.

There has been an upsurge of interest in fossil sharks in recent years as more information has become available from new fossil discoveries, especially in the southern continents, and from a microscopic examination of existing fossil remains. In many cases these discoveries have helped scientists to understand some of the finds made last century~ There are still few definite answers about the origins and relationships of all the known fossil, and some modern, sharks but progress is being made.
 
When I saw the title I thought it was a question about the sharks in the Cantina, I wanted to say there are no sharks here that’s a myth so everyone can go away and I’ll take care of the offers myself… ;)

As far as the other sharks…When I was a kid I worked in the Florida keys doing dive trips with tourist to see and play with sharks never had anything happen…
I think the over fishing with the drag nets has reduced the food supply and these past few years it has driven the larger sharks even more to shallow water. Because of this and the increase of people on the beaches the numbers should go up. It’s still natural and really nothing unusual about it.
 
I have read a lot about sharks, enough to know the facts, but I still have an irrational fear. Like has been mentioned, I know they are there, in greater numbers than you want to know and closer than you would think. I know it is statistically improbable that I would get attacked, but I can't relax in the water at the beach. Sometimes even in a lake, I get this irrational fear that I am going to get attacked by something. I am a good swimmer, I swam competitively when I was young, but the only place I feel safe is a pool. I am a lot better if there is visibility of greater than a couple feet or so underwater. But a lot of lakes around me are murky, visibility of like 3 feet, and the Eastern Shore is about the same. If I was in the Carribean or around Hawaii where the water was clear, maybe I'd feel better. Maybe it's sick that I'd rather see it coming, but then when I go for stitches or something at the doctors, I have to watch them do it too. Maybe I just have an underlying fear of the unseen or unknown.
 
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