Southern Grinds 12c28n steel?

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I've been looking at their bad monkeys for quite some time and i just can't justify spending the $$$ for the steel that they use. i know it's a good steel but its just a glorified 8cr13mov. does anyone have an experience using the steel?
 
I'm in the same boat. I've read/ watched about all the reviews on the internet and from what I'm seeing, the steel holds up. Now the only thing holding me back is my lack of funds.
(I know this was probably zero help)
 
I'm gonna disagree and say that Sandvik 14c28n is superior to 8cr. It is important to note that SG's heat treat of 14c is much better than that of Kershaw's. Despite this, it still is not going to perform as well as many of the powdered steels. I've done thorough research on this knife, and in my approximation it comes out somewhere between 154cm and VG-10 in the Bad Monkey's case. Less so for the Kershaw version.

I'm waiting until I've recovered from wedding expenses among other things to buy one, and hoping that they upgrade the steel in the interim.
 
I'm gonna disagree and say that Sandvik 14c28n is superior to 8cr. It is important to note that SG's heat treat of 14c is much better than that of Kershaw's. Despite this, it still is not going to perform as well as many of the powdered steels. I've done thorough research on this knife, and in my approximation it comes out somewhere between 154cm and VG-10 in the Bad Monkey's case. Less so for the Kershaw version.

I'm waiting until I've recovered from wedding expenses among other things to buy one, and hoping that they upgrade the steel in the interim.

Wedding expenses in like buying a car lol. Anyway, if you were to choose for basically the same price would you get a ZT0620 over the bad monkeys?
 
Wedding expenses in like buying a car lol. Anyway, if you were to choose for basically the same price would you get a ZT0620 over the bad monkeys?

I know I would. But that's just me. I know some of the money goes to a good cause, but if I'm going to drop that kind of bank I'd like a better steel.

This is not a knock on the Bad Monkey. I happen to like Kershaw's 14C28N. If SG treats it better, than I know I'd like it, too.
 
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My Bad Monkey should be here tomorrow... I had asked Tony from bladeco about the Southern Grind's steel choice- he also referred to their excellent heat treatment. Their blades are the shape and size that I'm looking for, so I decided to take the chance on it. I've had a few kershaws before, but have since sold/traded/given them away to make room for keepers... I'll soon see where the bad monkey stacks.
 
I have and have been carrying a bad monkey the lasts few weeks off an on as a daily edc. It has been carried and used randomly off and on for several months but this last month it has gotten the most use. Most of my edc tasks arent that major, mostly opening packages/boxes, cutting plastic wrapping, and other odd jobs. The blade I got came from SG with a mirror polish and so far it has worked very well for me with very little wear to the edge or coating. The edge pretty much looks just like I got it.

The only problem with the edge happened when I opened a large box and part of the edge came in contact with a staple. The edge didnt chip, it just rolled and I was able to use my strop to get it back to like factory in a couple minutes. I love Kershaw blades that have 14c steel but I havent used any that have held an edge as well as my Bad Monkey. I am really keeping a close eye on them hoping they come out with a slightly smaller folder.
 
I just got a bad monkey a few days ago. The knife is amazing. the finish is way better than the best spydercos and I am going to say it is approaching sebenza levels (I have a 25 so I can say this). I let my co worker, another knife knerd like me, carry it for a day and he stated to me that he felt the finish was better than his Spydercos, as good as or better than his ZTs and Striders and he even commented that he felt it was approaching sebenza levels. I never told him that. He just randomly said it. Everything about the knife is so good.

The steel choice... I look at it this way... I love my Kershaw Leeks and they have the same steel, run softer and extremely thin at the shoulder. I never broke or chipped a leek and they sharpen up so easily. 14C28N has some nitrogen in it which improves corrosion resistance and allows higher hardness while remaining ductile. The grain structure of sandvick 14C28N is exceptionally fine, approaching powder metal steels. SG hardens their blades to 59-61. Their grind is much thicker than the kershaw leek, so I am sure that I will get great performance, easy sharpening, rolled edges instead of chipped edges with a high level of corrosion resistance. I can tell you that on my leeks and on my Bad Monkey the steel's edge is so fine that it feels sticky. It shaves easily. Pick a hair, push it over with your blade and as soon as the hair gets trapped between the blade and skin, it will pop right off. One thing that Southern Grind doesn't advertise is that their edge is a convex, mirror polished edge. Convex edges are more durable than traditional bevels.

Knowing Zack Brown loves Emerson knives and thinking about his steel choice, I realized that the Bad Monkey is like a combination of a kershaw skyline (a very popular edc) and an Emerson, with custom/midtech build quality. I have had many ZTs, Spydercos, a few Chris Reeve knives and lots of lower cost blades. To me the Bad Monkey is worth every single penny.
 
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