Spark-Lite modification

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Hi everyone,

Some time ago there was somebody going to write an comparisson between different firesteels.

I have come into contact with the "inventor" Mr. Norton ( Four Seasons Survival, 1857 Park Forest Avenue, State College, Pennsylvania 16803) of the "Fire Starter Aviation Survival Spark-Lite" currently in use by the military ( NSN-1680-01-233-0061 CAGE: 1HP49 PN:SL3).

I have been extensively testing the Spark-Lite and it has been handed out to all Scouts in our Scoutingclub.

My Scouts all have the plastic Blaze Orange Spark-Lite latest issue so without the possibility to replace the flint inside the Spark-Lite.

I got a brass Spark-Lite from Mr. Norton that has replacable flints he calls it "Ever-Lite".
I also got one of the first Spark-Lites that he developped and this one needs two hands to operate it.
I modified the brass one so it can be attached to my keychain.
I now carry it pernmanently on my keychain.

My personal experience with the Spark-Lite is 200% positive, it never fails to light the supplied cotton wet tinder tabs with the first or second rub on the spark wheel.
Even when I soak the tinder tabs in water the whole night.
One just has to fluff the side that you want to set fire to so that there are small fluffy fibers to catch the sparks.
I also tested it with beech bark layers and when you peel the thin inner layers from a beech bark and also see to it that there is enough exposed fine beech bark you get it burning with a couple of rubs on the spark-wheel.

Most important, my Scouts (city kids) varying in age from 11 to 15 years also get a fire going with the Spark-Lite and almost as quick as the master himself (me
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perhaps even faster but I will never admit to that
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).

I never saw the Spark-Lites in Holland in outdoor shops so I was very happy by the great help we got from it's inventor Mr. Norton.

You can't go wrong to toss a couple of these Spark-Lites in your kit(s) I feel like every person going out in the woods etc. should at least have the capability AND knowhow to make a fire and keep it burning.
The Spark-Lite for about $6-7 (in the USA) is perfect to carry along, it doesn't weigh a ton, it's selfcontained to get at least! 8 fires going (8 tinder tabs are included in the box) and even kids can handle it perfectly.
I also have the Gerber Strike-Force and some Firesteels but my Scouts tend to have problems coordinating the scraping of the "striker" and applying enough force to be able to get sparks reliable and without scraping away the tinder.
Besides that one closed SAK on one of the kids knuckles was enough to convince me to use the Spark-Lite instead.

If you're interested in seeing the Spark-Lites I have (from Old to modern and modified) go see them at:

<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=130364&a=1351641">
<img src="http://www.photopoint.com/images/pplogo2.gif" width=125 height=66 border=0></a>

Go have a look and get yourself this cheap life insurance policy.
Service wise Four Seasons Survival is also unbeatable.
It has become a game for me to light the fireplace using my brass Spark-Lite and some home prepared tinder, my kids like it and my wife even more because she likes a warm fire and I can practice.

Best regards, from a wet but not cold (thanks to a fire going with my Spark-Lite
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) Holland,

Bagheera

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[This message has been edited by Bagheera (edited 03-24-2000).]
 
Neat modification, Bagheera. I have the same generation brass unit myself. I carry too many things on my key rings as it is but it would be nice to have a lanyard attachment.

The Spark-Lite fire starters themselves really do work very well. I usually have some scattered about my person when in the outdoors. It doesn't take much of a spark to get one going either. They work great with metal matches & I once used an otherwise dead disposible lighter.

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Cheers,

--+Brian+--

He who finishes with the most toys wins.
 
Hi Bagheera:

I posted a link to what we had tested: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/5404/survival/index.html

I haven't got a Spark-Lite yet - lots of work came up and I'm just getting back to having some fun. I wonder if you would do me a favor? No - I don't expect you to test your Spark-Lite into oblivion - but I am interested in its use when wet. If you soak it for a few minutes, how much effort does it take to make it spark? I'm wondering if it suffers the same deficiency as most lighters.
I hope you find the link interesting - if you have stuff you think should be added, let me know. I'll have the actual measurements of the firestarters up this weekend.

Thanks,

Jimbo
 
Thanks for all the great info guys. I've been trying a few different fire making methods/tools lately.

Jimbo, How much was the ANEW flint rod? An email reply would be fine if you don't want to print it here.

Bagheera, Are the brass Spark Lite (Ever-Lite) still available? I really like that aluminum box. Are they a commonly found surplus item?

thanks,
Paul
 
Very nice pics. Your survival kits look very comprehensive. Where did you get the large aluminum box for the kit? I've been looking for something similar.
 
Hi Paul,

I send you an email.

If anyone is interested in these French Navy aluminium Survival Ration cans please let me know it, they would cost about $10 a piece in polished as new condition (this takes me up to 20-25 minutes per can to achieve), the insides are always pristine.
I have to get them 450 miles from were I live and this could take some time.

Cheers,

Bagheera

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Hi Paul:

The ANEW rod was $16.00 US and the postage to Canada $4.00 - for two. This was very reasonable - I got the Fire Strike and Blastmatch from Botach for a good price too - but they shipped UPS which worked out very expensive to Canada.
I think you'll be delighted with the ANEW rod as it's the most compact THICK rod. Thicker rods give a lot more spark so that you can work with damp natural tinder.
Just order from the website - shipping was very prompt.

Jimbo
 
Hi Marion,

The size of the French Navy Ration Survival Aluminium cans (model 1964!) are:
size 7 3/8" by 3 3/8" by 1 3/8" (external size).

Cheers,

Bagheera
 
Originally posted by
Bagheera:
Hi Paul,

I send you an email.

If anyone is interested in
these French Navy aluminium
Survival Ration cans please
let me know it, they would
cost about $10 a piece in
polished as new condition
(this takes me up to 20-25
minutes per can to achieve),
the insides are always
pristine.
I have to get them 450 miles
from were I live and this
could take some time.

Cheers,

Bagheera


I would like two if you can.THANX FOR OFERING

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Jn 3:16
 
I discovered I had a couple of firestarters I could use just lying around. These are sparkers that are designed to be mounted on Coleman lanterns. I believe they take the same flints that you would buy for a cigarette lighter. The spark they throw is not huge but it's not small either. How robust they are is another question. I don't know the cost 'cause I've had these for years.

Anyone every try these?


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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
Hi Hoodoo:

It'll work with tinder that's easy to light such as "real" cotton batton (some is blended and won't start) or better still a piece of lamp wick for the old parafin lamps. Use this dry and scrape the end with your favorite knife into fine threads.
For the money - and considering how effective they are and how long they last - a thick ferrocerium stick is the way to go.

Jimbo
 
Hi Marion,

I second that, Oak is "one hell of a guy", 'pleasant to deal with' like you said is almost an understatement.

I knew he was called Oak but didn't want to put that in my post, without first asking Oak himself.

Marion, did you receive the email concerning the dimensions of the Aluminium French Navy Survival ration cans?

Cheers,

Piet.

PS I heard from Oak that the BRASS Spark-Lite's (Ever-Lite) are not produced anymore, I got the last ones for our Scoutingclub members
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Jimbo,

Nice job on the fire starting report! Especially, with the photos. That makes things easier to understand. (For example, why my cedar bark shredding was not sufficient to start a fire.)
That was a nice addition to your fire starter test that even went to the extreme of doing the serious "drop test".
Since I seriously lack the time recently to go outdoors or do anything wilderness survival related, I read all posts with curiosity. So guys, please do not hesitate to share any relevant experience.
Jimbo, keep on the good reports.

HM
 
Piet,

I received the info, but I
think a hard kit is the
wrong direction, thanks
though.

I figured you knew his name
in full, but thought I would
save the others some
research time.

Did you see my question
about you other sparker? I
posted a special thread...

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Thank you,
Marion David Poff aka Eye, Cd'A ID, USA mdpoff@hotmail.com

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