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Spec ops stocks
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Have one on my 870. Definitely a significant reduction in recoil... at least it drastically changes the nature of the recoil impulse. Goes from a 'kick' to a 'push' as the energy is distributed differently. I definitely don't mind using it for longer sessions now than before.
Overall quality is great, it's just a pain that you have to remove it to strip the shotgun. It also may or may not cause an issue if you ever need to try to bang a shell out of the action using the old slam technique. Can't speak on that from experience since I haven't had to try (knock on wood).
Overall quality is great, it's just a pain that you have to remove it to strip the shotgun. It also may or may not cause an issue if you ever need to try to bang a shell out of the action using the old slam technique. Can't speak on that from experience since I haven't had to try (knock on wood).
Just what I wanted to hear. Its going on my mossberg just as soon as I find a driver long enough to get to that buried stock screw;-)> I bought the stock both for recoil reduction and its LOP adjustment as I wanted a 12ga that my wife would like shooting.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the feedback.
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I bought one for my duty 870. I havent shot an 870 enough to really be able to tell if the reduction is significant, and i dont have two side by side for direct comparison. I do like the extendable feature but I find that at certian lengths my face doesnt want to line up on the bead sight right. I cant remember if its open or closed, but its not too bad.
I dont think i have a broken one or anything but when I shoot it, the recoil isnt reduced to the point that its the most comfortable thing to shoot. My cheek bone area will still get a little sore after a few dozen rounds, and yes i hold it tight to my shoulder. I doubt its malfunctioning but ive never got around to ask anyone else who has one to compare it too. Im curious what you think thinkofthechildren
Personally I dont think i would have bought it again but i dont regret it either. I might sell it.
ONE CAUTION
I havent seen this but a gun smith for our department doesnt like this stock. He told me of an incident where someone shot the gun and the shock absorber in the handle got stuck in the forward position making the trigger inaccessible. I guess when the handle slid forward on whatever slide or rails it has it got binded and wouldnt pop back into place.
I dont think i have a broken one or anything but when I shoot it, the recoil isnt reduced to the point that its the most comfortable thing to shoot. My cheek bone area will still get a little sore after a few dozen rounds, and yes i hold it tight to my shoulder. I doubt its malfunctioning but ive never got around to ask anyone else who has one to compare it too. Im curious what you think thinkofthechildren
Personally I dont think i would have bought it again but i dont regret it either. I might sell it.
ONE CAUTION
I havent seen this but a gun smith for our department doesnt like this stock. He told me of an incident where someone shot the gun and the shock absorber in the handle got stuck in the forward position making the trigger inaccessible. I guess when the handle slid forward on whatever slide or rails it has it got binded and wouldnt pop back into place.
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eyeeatingfish,
hey man, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe you are mounting the stock to your body in a way that isn't ideal, maybe your unit isn't working properly, or maybe everything is fine and it just isn't living up to the expectations you had for it. I can't really say.
I doubt it would make a ton of difference unless you are REALLY overdoing it, but you don't need to press the weapon into yourself hard. In fact, if you think about it, the more you use your arms to press it in, the more you are pre-loading the recoil mechanism. That leaves it less freedom to absorb the recoil energy on its own. I'm not suggesting that you mount the gun up to your shoulder barely touching, just that you aren't compressing the mechanism. Again, I don't know how hard you're doing it, I'm just reacting to your statement that you hold it tight to your shoulder.
I don't think I've ever had any cheek discomfort using this stock. Any chance you are using a cheekweld that is too far forward, or not adjusting the stock to the proper fit?
As for the mechanism getting jammed and blocking the trigger, I'll have to look closer at mine tonight but I don't think the receiver retracts far enough into the stock for the trigger to actually be inaccessible at any point. Think about it: if that were the case, you'd have to be instantly pulling your finger out of the trigger guard on each shot so that your finger didn't get smashed in the mechanism.
Given the fact that I can keep my trigger finger on the trigger during recoil for followthrough, I don't see how the trigger can ever become inaccessible for actual firing.
I do see how a jammed unit could potentially cause issues for removal of the stock and therefore takedown of the receiver, but that's another issue.
hey man, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe you are mounting the stock to your body in a way that isn't ideal, maybe your unit isn't working properly, or maybe everything is fine and it just isn't living up to the expectations you had for it. I can't really say.
I doubt it would make a ton of difference unless you are REALLY overdoing it, but you don't need to press the weapon into yourself hard. In fact, if you think about it, the more you use your arms to press it in, the more you are pre-loading the recoil mechanism. That leaves it less freedom to absorb the recoil energy on its own. I'm not suggesting that you mount the gun up to your shoulder barely touching, just that you aren't compressing the mechanism. Again, I don't know how hard you're doing it, I'm just reacting to your statement that you hold it tight to your shoulder.
I don't think I've ever had any cheek discomfort using this stock. Any chance you are using a cheekweld that is too far forward, or not adjusting the stock to the proper fit?
As for the mechanism getting jammed and blocking the trigger, I'll have to look closer at mine tonight but I don't think the receiver retracts far enough into the stock for the trigger to actually be inaccessible at any point. Think about it: if that were the case, you'd have to be instantly pulling your finger out of the trigger guard on each shot so that your finger didn't get smashed in the mechanism.
Given the fact that I can keep my trigger finger on the trigger during recoil for followthrough, I don't see how the trigger can ever become inaccessible for actual firing.
I do see how a jammed unit could potentially cause issues for removal of the stock and therefore takedown of the receiver, but that's another issue.
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I dont usually pull it in real hard I dont think, just firm.
As far as the recoil system it doesnt seem like I could compress it just by pulling it into my shoulder. For me to really see it compress I have to put the butt on the ground and push down on the barrel with a decent amount of force. I wish i had another one to compare it to or another person with one to ask about it.
I gotta go read the instructions too because I cant remember if it said to lube it or not to.
I shoot with the stock at various lengths to simulate a position where I can take time to be more accurate and to simulate tighter quarters. Maybe the difference wouldnt be that significant if i were really in a hallway?
I cant imagine how it might be installed incorrectly... seems pretty straightforward.
I appreciate the feedback, and curious what you think after my reply.
As far as the recoil system it doesnt seem like I could compress it just by pulling it into my shoulder. For me to really see it compress I have to put the butt on the ground and push down on the barrel with a decent amount of force. I wish i had another one to compare it to or another person with one to ask about it.
I gotta go read the instructions too because I cant remember if it said to lube it or not to.
I shoot with the stock at various lengths to simulate a position where I can take time to be more accurate and to simulate tighter quarters. Maybe the difference wouldnt be that significant if i were really in a hallway?
I cant imagine how it might be installed incorrectly... seems pretty straightforward.
I appreciate the feedback, and curious what you think after my reply.
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Sorry for the delayed response. I just tested mine out and what you say about pressure sounds right: takes me pushing on the ground to get much movement. I guess I overstated the compression-by-arms concern before, although maybe some gorilla out there could pull it off 
I don't think you could have it installed incorrectly if it's on there and the gun is working. I can't imagine what you could do wrong to it, and if you did I think it would be immediately apparent. I have never lubed mine.
As for adjusting it to different lengths to simulate different scenarios: I guess that's a matter of personal taste. My feeling is that if I ever have to pick up my shotty, the last thing I'll be doing is messing with the stock. I therefore leave it set to my preferred LOP and never touch it unless I absolutely need to. I could see how others might feel differently, however. It's all about personal needs and taste.
Sorry I can't offer more advice. I guess I would suggest you simply take it out to the range with a buddy who has a similar gun (ideally the same gun) but with a traditional stock. Run the same ammo through both guns and see if you are still disappointed with the SpecOps stock. If you are at that point, I would suggest simply ditching it on the secondary market. No need to pay that much for a stock if it's not doing what you want.
If you like the ergonomics and adjustability but don't appreciate the recoil mechanism, you could always sell the standard SO and buy their NRS: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm
It doesn't have the recoil mechanisms and costs about half as much so if you sell off your SO and buy this you'd have change leftover.
I don't think you could have it installed incorrectly if it's on there and the gun is working. I can't imagine what you could do wrong to it, and if you did I think it would be immediately apparent. I have never lubed mine.
As for adjusting it to different lengths to simulate different scenarios: I guess that's a matter of personal taste. My feeling is that if I ever have to pick up my shotty, the last thing I'll be doing is messing with the stock. I therefore leave it set to my preferred LOP and never touch it unless I absolutely need to. I could see how others might feel differently, however. It's all about personal needs and taste.
Sorry I can't offer more advice. I guess I would suggest you simply take it out to the range with a buddy who has a similar gun (ideally the same gun) but with a traditional stock. Run the same ammo through both guns and see if you are still disappointed with the SpecOps stock. If you are at that point, I would suggest simply ditching it on the secondary market. No need to pay that much for a stock if it's not doing what you want.
If you like the ergonomics and adjustability but don't appreciate the recoil mechanism, you could always sell the standard SO and buy their NRS: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm
It doesn't have the recoil mechanisms and costs about half as much so if you sell off your SO and buy this you'd have change leftover.
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I was almost going to buy the recoil free one but they were out so i paid the extra.
I am not sure exactly but I dont think my case holds the gun in the longest position so that might be part of why I adjust it.
I really need to go out and shoot it more though. Our department used to give ammo but recently they have been penny pinching.
I am not sure exactly but I dont think my case holds the gun in the longest position so that might be part of why I adjust it.
I really need to go out and shoot it more though. Our department used to give ammo but recently they have been penny pinching.
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I have a Blackhawk/KNOXX! SpecOps recoil reduction stock on my Mossberg 590 and it nicely reduces the recoil of the more potent loads I run through the weapon. As above posters have said, while it reduces recoil it mainly changes the nature of it and redistributes the load and force. I like the stock for this, and for its adjustability. The PowerPak is also a nice option to have---it includes a small compartment that's good for hiding a few necessaries with the weapon and carry extra shells. As a frequent poster over on the W&SS, I like this.
I also added XS ghost ring sights and a SureFire light on the fore-end. It's perfect for what I'd use such a firearm for.
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I also added XS ghost ring sights and a SureFire light on the fore-end. It's perfect for what I'd use such a firearm for.
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Do you like the xs sights better then the standard mossy ghstrngs? I was unable to get a 590 with ghost rings installed so need to add them on and am trying to decide which... so far I'm leaning towards the mossy. Also, how are you attaching your sf light? IS it the complete forendw/light or an added on light?
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Sorry for the delayed response. I just tested mine out and what you say about pressure sounds right: takes me pushing on the ground to get much movement. I guess I overstated the compression-by-arms concern before, although maybe some gorilla out there could pull it off
I don't think you could have it installed incorrectly if it's on there and the gun is working. I can't imagine what you could do wrong to it, and if you did I think it would be immediately apparent. I have never lubed mine.
As for adjusting it to different lengths to simulate different scenarios: I guess that's a matter of personal taste. My feeling is that if I ever have to pick up my shotty, the last thing I'll be doing is messing with the stock. I therefore leave it set to my preferred LOP and never touch it unless I absolutely need to. I could see how others might feel differently, however. It's all about personal needs and taste.
Sorry I can't offer more advice. I guess I would suggest you simply take it out to the range with a buddy who has a similar gun (ideally the same gun) but with a traditional stock. Run the same ammo through both guns and see if you are still disappointed with the SpecOps stock. If you are at that point, I would suggest simply ditching it on the secondary market. No need to pay that much for a stock if it's not doing what you want.
If you like the ergonomics and adjustability but don't appreciate the recoil mechanism, you could always sell the standard SO and buy their NRS: http://www.blackhawk.com/product/SpecOps-NRS-Shotgun-Stock,1157,165.htm
It doesn't have the recoil mechanisms and costs about half as much so if you sell off your SO and buy this you'd have change leftover.
On another note, I havent shot out any 3 inch shells and the shells we use at the range are tactical loads which are supposed to be less kick and thus easier to reaquire the target. Maybe I would notice it more with the heavy loads?
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The heavier the load, the more you will notice the difference between a standard shotgun and the Knoxx equipped shotgun. No matter what though, until you shoot side by side you won't be able to judge the difference as well.
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I have both praise and scorn for mine. I forgot the model name, but it's the adjustable length with pistol grip model. I have it mounted on my Mossberg 585 turkey gun. Yes, it's mounted correctly.
Pros: a significantly less and changed nature of the recoil. More of a push as previously noted. Also some "bad-ass" good looks about it.
Con: There is no drop to the stock, I have to lean out onto the stock in order to line up my sights. When I fire the gun... good dose of cheek slap. You do not feel this when turkey hunting, but it sure as heck is noticable when you are patterning different brands of shells at different distances to see what your gun likes best. Luckily, I found a brand it likes, and will stick with it.
Pros: a significantly less and changed nature of the recoil. More of a push as previously noted. Also some "bad-ass" good looks about it.
Con: There is no drop to the stock, I have to lean out onto the stock in order to line up my sights. When I fire the gun... good dose of cheek slap. You do not feel this when turkey hunting, but it sure as heck is noticable when you are patterning different brands of shells at different distances to see what your gun likes best. Luckily, I found a brand it likes, and will stick with it.