spine-whack

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I have seen this term several times, related to liner locks. What exactly does it mean, and how is it done? Is there a test or a problem that happens before this should be done? Should it be done as a general practice with production liner locks, or what? I guess I am really more interested in how, than why. All input to this proceedure would be appreciated.

Rick

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"Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant"
 
The objective of the spine whack is to see how resilient a given folder's lock is by subjecting it to a sharp blow to the spine, or back of the blade. It is to see if the knife will accidentally close due to lock failure.

It tests not only how strong a given lock is, but may also provide some clues as to the fit and finish, and alignment of the lock.

Some people rap the blade spine of the open knife against an object such as the edge of a table (or carpet if you don't want to scratch your table and knife), or in extreme cases, subject it to heavy blows with a hammer. Be careful and make sure no fingers are in the way.

Is it a good test? Yes. Is it a realistic test? You decide.

[This message has been edited by Full Tang Clan (edited 03-07-2001).]
 
There are more than a couple of people who have been seriously cut doing this. Get yourself a good cut resistant glove before you try this and be CAREFUL!
I personally don't put a lot of stock in the spine whack test, I don't think it's a meaningful test at all, as it doesn't duplicate the actual stresses placed on the lock during use.
But many disagree, as FTC said, you decide.


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When I saw the term used, it related to setting/seating the locking mechanism. I got the impression that it was to maybe fix or avoid a blade locking mechanism problem.
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I heard recently about a part-time maker who left a knife upright in a vise, came back near it, dropped something, and in his instinctive grab to catch the falling object, badly cut his right middle finger. Surgery to sew up muscle and reconnect nerves resulted, most of his range of motion should probably return in a year or so. I'm very sorry that happened to this guy (or any maker or user really). He's a great maker.

Wishing to avoid any kind of finger injuries myself, because it'll be my right hand and my two best fingers (index & middle) that take most or all of the damage if a blade folds up on me, I personally think a folder should pass at least a moderate spine whack test (this is my position, after originally thinking it was overkill and a sort of armchair commando type test). There are so many folders that do pass the test, why bother to take any chance of permanent injury in hard use of a folder, or in self defense, with a marginal knife?

I simply grab the folder very firmly, with my fingers on out of the way of the blade's potential path back into the handle (of course!), and bring the spine down sharply on a computer mouse pad on my desk to avoid damaging either object. I was very surprised to find I indeed owned 2 folders (out of maybe 30 to give you one data point on the % that won't pass) that didn't pass the spine whack.

I fixed one of them myself by disassembling and bending the liner so it moves into the tang with more tension/force. The other knife is now no longer in my posession.
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[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 03-07-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Full Tang Clan:

It tests not only how strong a given lock is, but may also provide some clues as to the fit and finish, and alignment of the lock.
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I agree with everything else FTC said. But note, the spine whack test doesn't tell you anything about how strong a lock is. It tells you about reliability. These characteristics are, despite widespread view to the contrary, nearly orthogonal.

Cobb, in response to your second post. I have a number of times seen the spine-whack test "seat" a lock. So the spine whack test causes the lock to fail once, but then the lock never fails again. So, aside from being a reliability test (whose applicability is somewhat debated, as FTC pointed out), it also sometimes serves to make a lock more reliable.

Joe
 


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[This message has been edited by cobb (edited 03-07-2001).]
 
Joe, you said the lock would fail "once", and then never fail again after the whack. Why? What happens to cause this? I really don't quite understand why your statement would hold true. To my lack of knowledge of mechanics and physics,
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when it failed the first time, it is now damaged because of the force of the whack and would continue to fail, or it is just a weak point in the lock up, and would continue to fail. I am in no way doubting you and what you say, because this is what I remember being explained in the past. I just flat out don't understand why!
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cobb -- Can't say I understand it either, I just calls 'em how I sees 'em. I've seen this happen numerous times -- one failure, then never another. Maybe the first whack, which causes the failure, also changes the geometry slightly, and the next whack is what actually sets the lock. Maybe not!

Joe
 
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