Spyderco 52100 Mule edge stability issue

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I'm a big fan of the mule project and thank Spyderco for bothering to do it.

I recently found a 52100 mule, leaving only the CPM M4 on my grail list. I was expecting to like the steel as I'm not fussy about patination/carbon steels and I like steels that take a fine edge.

When it arrived, I set about putting my standard mule edge on it (initially 40 degree microbevel, 30 deg back bevel on the sharpmaker.) My other mules have had no problem with this edge geometry and after a long enough period of assessment has occured, I like to play around with other edge angles.

While putting on the 40 deg micro bevel edge, I noticed what appearred to be a pronounced "wire" or "burr" developing:

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I thought nothing of it as I still had the fine/extra-fine and stropping to go. However, the resulting edge was poor compared to my other mules (in more "difficult" steel) and looked very uneven and craggy (I didn't remember to take a photo at this stage.)

I took the knife back to freehand stones and put an entirely new bevel on, followed by careful use of the SM to do a 40 degree microbevel.

The edge is better in terms of hair-shaving (it will just manage it), but still nowhere near as good my other mules with the same sharpening regime. The edge still looks slightly uneven, despite fastidious stropping:

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What is going on here? :confused: I never have problems sharpening PE/SE, convex, scandi etc. I would have thought 52100 would have been a doddle to get sharp.
 
I've never had that happen to me, but then I don't use the Sharpmaker anymore

I'd suggest trying again and see what the outcome would be

Best of luck!

P.S. Take Knifenut's advice as he has experience
 
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From your pictures I'd say your using far too much pressure, it's why you can see such a large burr. Another issue I've found with hard steels used on ceramics is that the extreme amounts of pressure put on the apex of the edge from the very hard surface can fracture the edge, even with the lightest touch it can happen. Your also multiplying the force by using a micro bevel.

It's a problem I had with my 52100 mule team and ZDP-189. Here is a close up of my 52100 mule team after a UF ceramic.

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there is a good chance that you're over working the edge. im sharpening my 52100 mule this week, i'll post pics.

did you try not adding a micro bevel?
 
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I was sharpening a Gerber Gator for my friend and I was having the exact same problem. Not sure what was causing it (it was not too much pressure in this case). I eventually got the edge to even up, but it took a LOOOOONG time. I have sharpened it more since then and have not had the problem again.
 
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