Spyderco ATR C70p-SS, 1st impressions

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hi fellow Spyder-knuts,

about an hour ago i recieved my ATR-SS plain edge. am i happy with it? totally! this knife is awesome!

some observations and 1st impressions:

feel, look and weight of this knife is fantastic! like a $1000-custom almost. the knife much more bulky and wide in looks than, say, a Police. the weight is almost the same as the Police, but you won't notice that. the weight-distribution is so well done that the knife feels more like a Delica. great!

ergo's are great. "yeah...", you think, "with SS-handles?!", yes, with steel handles, doesn't matter! it holds very well in a straight saber-grip as well as in the horizontal 'slash-grip'. no doubt the layout of the handle and cobra-hood account to this mostly.

accidental lock-release is out of the question due to the layout of the top-compression lock. there's one you can trust for sure! opening the knife is easy and smooth due to the large spyderhole, cobra-hood and positive handle-purchase, perfect. the tang of the lock is initially still a little 'sticky', some wear and tear will probably solve this given enough use. it's brand-new out of the box so i wasn't expecting any better than it is now. its fine. additionally, opening the blade produces a satisfying but subtle "thud" of the compression-lock, very nice. i've handled many folders, but this one opens up the easiest and most positive of all, every time. spydie-drops are also a breeze, only a mild 'snip' (not even a snap ;) ) is needed to open it. ths ss-handle does the rest. what a cook knife!

closing the knife one-handed with right hand takes a little practice, but i got the hang of it within 5 minutes. its not much more difficult than with a front-locker. just put your thumb on the first hole of the handle's left scale, hold your index-finger against the right side of the hole near the hood, use your middle-finger to disengage the lock and close the blade with your index-finger, simple enough really, even despite the initially snagging sticky lockup. another way to close, is to release the lock with your index finger and then give an inertial swing to swing the blade to closing position.
closing it one-handed with your LEFT hand is a totally different story though. it's doable and i''ve got my method for it sorted already, but it takes some dexterity. lefties, you've been warned......

the blade: finally a new blade-shape with a slightly stronger tip. the steel is VG-10 and i wouldn't want to have it any other way. as usual, the edge is Spyderco-perfect and Spyderco-razord sharp. it's amazing how everytime when i feel the edge of a brand-new Spyderco, it makes me feel humble about my own sharpening-skills. this knife is scary sharp! the blade-length is perfect for me, not too long, not too short. the utilitarian belly near the front end of the blade is most useful in cutting. choking up on the blade is easy because of the choil and good purchase on the blade's spine. peeling some fruit is slightly impaired in ease because of the cobra-hood, but it's not that bad.

the clip: it's short, it's strong, but it's also 'sharp'. the inner-side of the clip that touches your pants-pocket is thin sheet-metal that touches the denim straight on. this makes a for grippy clip (really strong, you won't lose this knife in a bungee-jump) but also a potential pants-eater. time will have to tell if this is the case. one con: tip-up carry only.

interesting feat: on the right side of the blade near the hole is a peculiar marking, i'm guessing this is the designer's logo. if anyone can tell me what it is, i'd like to know

is is really that good and no cons or problems at all? well, almost, yes. there's is ofcourse the compression-lock that may take some getting used to for people with less than perfect motoric skills........, but most importantly, i've noticed a slight metallic sound, kind of a rattle, near the butt of the handle. i think it's one of the steel handle-spacers. if anyone can tell me more, i'd definitely like to know about it. one other interesting/disturbing discovery is that all of the screws used on the knife are of a very strange kind. they look like a cross-breed between Allen and Torx, but they're not. they might look like Torx-Plus, but yet again, they're not. these are apparently some new sort of anti-tamper Torx-screws that i've never seen before, and sure would like to have identified. the reason why this could be a problematic issue is obvious: should your handle/pivot-screws need tightening because of wear or general loosening, then you have a problem.

the conclusion? the ATR rocks! i especially chose the steel version above the titanium model, simply because of price-point, and because it's otherwise exactly the same, only slightly 'heavier', which as previously mentioned, isn't all that heavy at all anyway.

should you get this knife? you bet, give it a shot, you'll love it if you can handle the compression-lock!

any info or remarks on my findings are very welcomed! thanks for reading this 1st impression/review of mine.

dennis "denn" braggaar

special thanks to Bill Morris for going the extra mile by acquiring this knife within little time and for the right price for me, thank you very much Bill! . also thank you Spyderco, for my new -EDC!

check out the ATR-SS, right here: http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=118
 
any chance of dissassembling and taking some pics? curious as to the pivot assembly and washers etc.
 
the sequel......2nd impressions

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a couple of days later, my 2nd impression of the ATR:

-upon closer inspection, the screws DO seem like regular Torx-screws. mus've been my eyes messing with me or something......

-still don't like the tip-up only carry. it requires additional fumbling after the draw to get in the ready-position. advice: upgrade ATR next year to tip-down/tip-up carry

-the lock: it remains sticky and gritty and i'll doubt it'll wear to a more smooth engagement. one plus though: after a few days of fondling the pivot has smoothened somewhat and now the blade drops down by itself when unlocking. this means closing the knife can now be down simply by releasing the lock with the thumb and catching the the blade on the choil with your index-finger. it's no longer a problem for lefties anymore either, close with the same procedure, but catch choil with your middle-finger instead of index.

-the clip: still find it too stiff, small and sharp. clipping it to the pants is more difficult than with any other folder i've used. drawing from the pocket sometimes leaves me empty-handed. i've also noticed the clip is somewhat too shiny, I might give it a rub with some scotchbrite soon, looks a little plasticky.

-everything else considered: yes, it still rocks and it's my favorite EDC now. goodbye Police and Delica. hello ATR!


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the conclusive:

ok, the final impressions and verdict:

- tried to tighten the T6 clip-screws a little. it worked, but i managed to strip all 3 screwheads in the process and mangle up my Torx-driver too. oh well......stuff happens

- used LocTite on the pivot-screw. remains in position now. good

- rubbed the too-shiny clip with Scotchbrite pad. looks much better now and matches the look of the handle.

somehow the rattle in the handle has disappeared as well after that, so it must've been the clip's tension causing it to touch a certain spot on the handle then. solved now, nice.

- having opened, closed and used the ATR more by now I can still say that this knife handles like a dream in every aspect. the top-compression-lock system has been programmed into my habits now and I've actually started to prefer it over the more conventional front- and liner-locks.

- one feature remains that i'm not happy with: the tip-up only carry. it might be a matter of personal preference but i just can't live with tip-up clips. next year tip-down as well on the ATR, Spyderco? please?

conclusion: still like the ATR very much and am appreciating it more and more. if it weren't for the tip-up clip i'd rate this knife 10 out of 10 points. but since that isn't the case i'm giving it a 8.5 out of 10. overall impression: great knife, well worth the money.

thx for reading everyone and I hope any of this info was useful to potential buyers, owners and Spyderco.

dennis
 
some afterthoughts on this knife and its review and the current status after 5 weeks:

- i removed the pocket-clip entirely, the clip is just so stiff, sharp, short and poor that it simply does not belong on the ATR. i now carry the ATR like a true pocket-knife.....clipless, with the hood/hole/blade facing up in the pocket so a grab in the pants can still produce a reasonable tip-down kind of draw. i actually prefer it this way now. (imagine how bad the clip must've been then!)

- the rattling sound in the handle is still there. all components and screws seem tight, so i think there might be some steel-debris within the handle-spacers or the spacers might not be fitted right to the thickness of the handle (i notice some space in between) (?)

- i wish this knife had a framelock instead of the compression-lock. i'm sort of used to it now, but the lockup is still sticky strong (it doesn't smoothen with use) and each time after some opening and closing my thumb is sore, especially the closing is painful and somewhat cumbersome.

- the ball-bearing detent seems somewhat loose. the knife opens up slightly too easily with the least amount of sudden motion. this could be dangerous if you carry it tip-up with the clip. but when carrying it clipless, like i do now with the cobra-hood/blade facing up in the pocket, it's no problem.

conclusion: i still like it (imagine that! :ooo:), and for the upcoming time i will EDC it every day until it breaks down and falls apart because i want to like this knife in use, as much as when i first opened its box when i got it. the ergo's are just too good to not use this nice knife. it's too bad Spyderco didn't realize the obvious,....: this knife needs a tip-down clip (and a decent clip as well instead of this crappy piece of sheet-metal), period! a framelock would be better too i guess, but if they choose to stick with the compression-lock, so be it. furthermore, Spyderco needs to take a look at the design of the ball-detent, and i'm also curious to what the rattling sound in the handle is :confused: .

how's about it Spyderco, time for a new and improved "ATR-2"? ;)

thanks for reading everyone, and feel free to add your own experiences to this review. :cool:

dennis
 
nice follow-up, dennis, thanks!

i checked out a Ti ATR thru a passaround; it's good stuff. there's one thing you mentioned that i think the Ti handle solves immediately: the compression lock. i had no trouble unlocking the ATR one-handed, even repeatedly. the lock is very strong, but perhaps the tension is not nearly the same level as the steel-handled version.

the rattling you hear is one of the pins or "collars" in the knife. the one i borrowed exhibited this as well. i'm sure Spyderco can adjust this by tightening the scales, but that's kind of a pain.

i concur with your thoughts about the "looseness" of the ATR. you can pop this knife open with a snap of the wrist very easily, effectively making the ATR a "gravity knife" in many jurisdictions. i'm not very concerned with this, but it certainly needs to be addressed. fun though, no? :D

lastly, i also am quite fond of the ergos. despite the smooth handles, grip is very positive and non-slip. your thumb just automatically heads for the cobra-hood, and stays there. nice. the blade moves and cuts just as you would expect, and the tip is strong and tough, while remaining thin overall.

that's all i have to add. thanks again, dennis!

abe m.
 
abe, thanks for your comments, i appreciate it :)

what i referred to about the compression lock being 'sticky strong'.....well, that's not so much about the tension of the compression-bar itself, but it's caused by the steel of the bar and the steel of the blade-tang 'biting into' each other. it's hard to explain, but it's somewhat like what happens with certain liner-lock knives, like buck-striders, emersons and some benchmades.....: when you wrist-flick those knives open hard, you may notice on certain specimens that the blade-tang and the liner are so tight that you almost need a crowbar to unlock the blade again. this is caused by the two materials basically melting into each other. that's what my SS-ATR has as well: initially i have to overcome the "bite between the steels" first and then the (not so tight-) tension of the compression-bar. i hope this makes sense? :rolleyes:

by the way abe, what's your opinion on the pocket-clip? the pocket-clip itself, plus the fact that it's tip-up......; do you dislike it as well or do you have no problems with it?

thx.
dennis
 
I like my ATR very much. I solved the tight clip problem with a screw driver, springing the ciip out a little at a time until I got it perfect. I would rather it be tip down and the clip not be so shiny. The frame lock works great, mine is easy to close with one hand. Also, there is zero blade play
 
I have the Black SS ATR. I think it would be nice if it had a wire clip, this one bends out on thick pocket trim. Other than that I wouldn't change a thing. The SS handle is comfy, and extremely durable at the same time. The integral Compression lock is the best of it's kind as well, I expect this knife to be working perfectly for decades at least.

We'll see how it's holding up in 2107.
 
Hi Dennis,

I had the same exact problem with the spacer rattling. tightnening the screw did not work and i was worried to over tighten anyway, so i decided to just take the spacer out. problem solved. that annoying rattle is gone. i still use a lanyard and it works equally well without the spacer.
I love the knife myself. the cobra hood improves the opening a lot.... i can open the knife really fast even without pushing down in the hole but simply moving my thumb up to catch the hood on the blade....

And i simply love the ss construction.... ss+compression lock is a great combination for smooth spyderdrops....

Only thing i don't like too much is the fact that a big portion of the knife shows when clipped on the pocket, and being both the knife and the clip polished ss people can tell i'm carrying a knife from the east coast...... not really a big deal here in oregon, but i like to be more discreet, mostly when walking around downtown or going shopping. i got a few bad looks...

Anyway in my top five for edc rotation.... a real user.
 
You're right about the marking, if it's like mine than the marking is the designers logo. It's SAL, stands for Sal Glesser.
 
i forgot to specify that the rattling spacer in my knife is the one that channels the lanyard holes of the two slabs.... hope it makes more sense. that spacer does not have a structural function.
 
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