Spyderco Endura Questions

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Ok So I got my first one in the mail today, handled it for a few minutes put it back in the box and left for work carrying my Para 2.
I get home and pick it up again to further inspect it and play with it, I noticed it had little handle retention. It's similar to an axis lock for example, it's got enough to keep it in the handle but it can be shaken open. This is my first experience with a spyderco lockback design, are they supposed to be like that? I'd prefer it to be a little stronger in the "detent" area. I want it to be sucked into the handle and not come back out unless I want it to be like my Para 2 or my Tenacious or Manix. Also it opens butter smooth but I feel a lot of resistance, even with the lock held open it just feels like it doesn't wanna move. Yes it's oiled and clean. I have loosened up the pivot to where there is an unacceptable amount of play and it still feels stiffer than it should be. Every other spyderco I have gotten or handled new has been practically broken in already. I don't know what to think of these things, I felt I needed to express my concerns here.

The back spacer doesn't quite line up right, it isn't flush with the scales, and the opening hole was excessively sharp, i had to take some 1000 grit sandpaper to it. I felt as though it was going to cut my thumb. When you look into the hole as well there is a noticeable spiral gouge in it from what looks like a drill bit retracting and the finish is kind of bad. The machinist in me says they needed to change the bit, that there is just nit picking though. They could ream the holes and refine the finish but that would add time to production therefore costing the shop more which would equate to a higher price I guess.

One more thing, when I got it two of the body screws weren't even tight. I always check the screws on a new knife for some reason.

I'd like to say I'm just nit picking but this is the second Japanese Spyderco I've owned and also the second one I haven't been very happy with. I had a cricket with more than a handful of issues and I didn't have it long, I traded it for a griptilian. I have two from Golden and two from China and all four of those knives came perfect and flawless in every regard.

Possibly I just got my hopes up for the knife, it is such a well regarded knife that I kind of expected it to be perfect. Atleast better quality than my tenacious. I understand no one or nothing is perfect, every thing is controlled by humans and we are far from perfect. This will not stop me from trying out other Japanese spyderco's but I will end up being more picky next time unfortunately. It's the way I am.

If for some strange reason people actually care about my issue or concerns i will add pictures. The camera is locked up right now and I'm off to bed.
 
The blade shakes out of the handle, but then becomes hard to open the rest of the way? This is different from my experience with Spyderco lock backs, including my E4.

Lock backs take more force to open than liner or compression locks, in my experience. Also, I think the blade blanks are laser cut, including the opening hole.
 
Please don't take me as a fanboy, but it seems like you got a lemon. Honestly my best recommendation is try another one, the spyderco endura in zdp is an incredible knife for ~90 dollars. I've had about 8 or 9 different japanese spydercos and honestly never had the issues you did. Maybe it was a dud that got through QC, if you have the opportunity to handle on at a gun show or good old brick and mortar I think you'll be more than pleased
 
Yea, I agree with Bill.
My Endura 4 has plenty of retention to stay closed, while also having a smooth opening.
Give it a chance. VG-10 is some good stuff and the FFG Endura is a great workhorse.
 
Yea i was thinking i had a lemon too, its not enough for me to send it back or anything though. I founf one little quirk and then after that i went over it with a fine tooth comb. As for the opening i don't expect it to be like my year old abused pm2 where it just floats open when the lock is disengaged. I did expect more from it though. I do like vg 10 and have used it a little bit. Trying another though isn't really a great option for me. I buy a knife about once every 6 months regularly if funds permit
im on a strict small budget. 70 bucks shipped for a knife is expensive for me. Im sure i could have found a better price but i went with my most trusted dealer online because i cant make it to any gun shows as i work second shift and i have one brick and mortor knife shop within a 50 mile radius and he only sells chinese slipjoints buck and a cold steel here n there. Not my kind of store. As for the blade blank, they may be laser or water jet cut but what i see is tool marks from a dull drill bit, idk what else it could be.
 
Ive had a couple of Endura 4's and none could be shaken open. Neither can my Police III, which is also a lockback. The stiff opening might get better when broken in, but every single one of my Spyderco have been smooth.

The spiral gouge is nitpicking in my opinion. Its the same on many of my Spydercos, incl. the Enduras, but at the pricepoint im not complaining. As you said yourself, theyve gotta keep cost down.
 
I've had a few and mine didn't/don't shake open. For what the Endura is; a good priced, reliable, no frills knife with great steel, it's tough to beat. I think you might have a lemon...Don't cheat yourself out of one of the best EDC out there, I'd exchange it. I carry it more than my PM.
 
The two I just checked will both snap closed "with authority" once the tip of the blade is somewhere between 2 1/2" and 2 1/4" away from the handle. If I thumb either of them open that much, or less, then release thumb pressure, they snap closed. If I attempt to open either of them with a "bull whip crack" motion, the blade moves just far enough to produce an audible "tick". I doubt the tip of either blade ever clears the handle.

Based on that, I'd say that if yours can be "shaken open" and you are not depressing the lockbar while shaking it, then it is defective. If you had not already modified it, I would have suggested returning it.
 
I had to jump up and pull my three out of the spydie drawer. One will shake open but I had to violently agitate it to do so. Great knife for the money, my krein grind asp 189 is true light saber and I have about 120$ in it. I might send it in. Russ
 
I got an endura that had much less severe problems than yours, and since I also don't have a large budget and trust spyderco I sent it in. Basically I asked if the problems I was seeing would develop into worse problems. well, in accordance with spyderco's awesome service they sent me a new knife.

Honestly, it sounds like you definitely got a bad one. My replacement stays closed great, and flicks open like a dream. It has a tighter spring than other spydercos I've had, which it sounds like you would like. The edges of mine were also sharp, but I prefer that. I know you said you probably wouldn't, but I would personally send it in.
 
Just an update here, I honestly don't think I'll send it in. The opening has gotten smoother after today; I can thumb it open with out any wrist now. I carried it to work and did a lot of shipping help today and when I was packing the finished pieces I machined in boxes, we didn't have any pads (cardboard pieces for layer separating in the boxes) that fit these special boxes we have for a certain company so I did a lot of cardboard cutting in triple wall pieces that aren't the cleanest. Wrecked the edge after 8 hours of that but it sharpened right back up to even better than factory sharp. Guess I'm getting pretty good at sharpening. It will snap closed now but now with any kind of authority. It'll close on its own with the tip approx. an inch and 5/8 from the handle. It can be flicked open easily though but I don't really mind that, a lot of my knives do. It just bothered me that I kind of knew that it shouldn't be that easy. I do thoroughly enjoy the knife though. I will be buying another sometime, probably the waved model or a spyderedged one. I don't really see the point of having a set of colors. I also really want a matching delica for every endura I acquire. I'll email spyderco and see if they can send me a new spring maybe and see if that fixes it. I absolutely love the orange color too, it's just so vibrant. I don't even feel if the knife is there like I do with anything else. I will take the time to look at my pocket and if I can see that lovely orange color I'm happy. Orange happens to be my favorite color. I kind of want a blue one too, and a green one...but like I said, i'm not really one for collecting mulitples of knives. This might possibly change that or just become an exception though.
 
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