Spyderco Lil' Temperance

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Introduction

I've actually had my own Lil' Temperance for about a year now. This particular one came around in a "twofer" passaround with it's big, fixed-blade brother, the Temperance, which is the one I really wanted to get my mitts on. (See my review of the Temperance elsewhere.) The Lil' Temp has been discontinued, although you can find one in stock if you look around a bit. Still, it's an interesting knife in it's own right, and deserves a review.

The folding Lil' Temperance and fixed-blade Temperance were both released in 2001; they were apparently intended to complement each other, although outside of the leaf-shaped, flat-gound blades, they have little in common.

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(Top to bottom: Spyderco Temperance, Spyderco Lil' Temperance.)


First Impressions
tem•per•ance (temp'(e)rens), n. : the avoidance of excess; moderation.
Moderation? Yeah, right. This is one excessively tough knife!

Compared to the more commonly-seen FRN-handled Spyderco knives, the Lil' Temperance is a lil' tank. It's short, but thick and wide, with the thickest blade stock (4mm) that Spyderco uses, and a handle of thick G10 slabs with nested steel liners. Even the lock is beefy: the Lil' Temp was one of the first knives to use Spyderco's innovative Compression Lock, which is designed to be even stronger and more secure than their excellent "front locks" and liner locks.


A Closer Look

Length closed: 4.5"
Overall Length: 7.4"
Blade Length: 3"
Blade Steel: CPM S30V

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(Top to bottom: Spyderco Endura, Spyderco Lil' Temperance, Spyderco Delica)

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(Top to bottom: Spyderco Endura, Spyderco Lil' Temperance, Spyderco Delica)

The clip is adjustable for tip-up or tip-down carry, but right-hand only. The clip is formed from sheet steel as usual, but of unusual shape, with folded-down sides that form a long arc; it makes for a good grip on the pocket, but the inside edges at the top are rather sharp, and on mine, tended to tear up the edges of my pockets very quickly. (Spyderco now puts this same clip on their new ATR.) On the plus side, the rounded outside edges are very comfortable when gripping the knife hard.

While the Lil' Temperance is big and thick, it folds into a fairly compact package, but unfortunately, there are corners galore. (Unlike the Manix, which when folded, is nicely curved all around.) The cusp above the Spyder Hole is big and fairly sharp; the rear tip of the handle can dig in uncomfortably; but the tip of the thumb ramp is positively brutal! I carried it a couple days, tip up, and that @#$%^&* tip poked me more than once, in places I don't like getting poked! :eek:

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(Top to bottom: Spyderco Endura, Spyderco Lil' Temperance, Spyderco Delica)

The compression lock provides a positive detent, but after that, the blade swings smoothly open, until the lock snaps firmly into place. The Spyder Hole is large, but partly covered by the handle when closed, as in the Native; together with the thick handle, it could be a little tricky to open if you have large thumbs or limited thumb movement.

For those not familiar with the Compression Lock, let me explain. It's operated much like a liner lock, but it's located at the top of the handle, not the bottom. However, instead of the end of the lock bar blocking a corner of the blade tang, the end of the Compression lockbar wedges in between the blade tang and the stop pin. Since the force required to buckle that short bit of lock bar is an order of magnitude more than to buckle or slip a long liner lock bar, it's tons stronger than a liner lock. In Spyderco's testing, the only way it'll fail is by shearing the pivot pin or stop pin, or by breaking the blade tang!

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Once open, the Lil' Temp provides a hand-filling grip. There's a large finger choil, large enough for two fingers in fact, plus two smaller finger grooves. There's no forward choil for "choking up", but that's not really necessary on a 3" blade like this. That thumb ramp in the handle may be uncomfortable in the pocket, but when open, matches the curve of the blade's thumb ramp exactly, providing one of the widest, smoothest thumb ramps I've seen on a folding knife.

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The lower (finger) edge of the handle slabs have a large bevel, providing some comfort; the top (palm) edges have a slight radius, leaving a wide area to bear down on. Oddly, while most of the handle has a very grippy, sand-blasted G10 finish, the finger-grip area is milled down to a smooth finish, with a trio of shallow dimples to provide a little extra traction. If Spyderco would've sand-blasted the handle after milling, it would be an extremely secure gripping surface, but as it is, that smooth G10 gets a tad slippery when wet. Overall, though it might look a bit awkward, it's actually a very well designed grip. It feels good in every grip I tried: hammer, saber, reverse, side; only pikal felt at all awkward. If only the milled area wasn't so slick...


In Use

I didn't get a chance to really wring it out on a variety of materials, but I did manage to cut up some cardboard and veggies with it. It performed much like the last full-flat-ground Spydie I reviewed, the Manix: slices well, but tends to bind up a bit in thick corrugated. But, even moreso than the Manix, you can bring a lot of force to bear on that wide, rounded thumb ramp, and just power through the tough stuff.

Throughout my (admittedly limited) testing, the handle was quite comfortable. The only hot spots I felt were the very top of the thumb ramp on the blade, which is rather sharp, and the right side of the grip just in front of the pocket clip, at the recess for mounting the pocket clip tip-down.


Conclusion

As I mentioned, the Lil' Temperance has been discontinued, so I suppose it didn't sell all that well. Sad, since while it's not exactly sexy, it's a good hard-use folder.

Keep in mind, too, that Spyderco has since come out with another folder that actually more resembles a folding version of the Temperance: the Manix, released just last year. If you look at the Temperance and Manix side by side, the resemblance is hard to miss. (Again, see my Temperance review.)

Pros: Sturdy, tough, strong, did I mention sturdy? Good ergonomics in the hand, good cutting performance in most materials.
Cons: Big and heavy for EDC in dress slacks, can be uncomfortable in thace pocket, clip eats pocket edges for lunch, blade rather short for some hard uses.

So, is it right for you? I can think of one situation where it might be ideal: where you want a Manix, but need a 3" blade due to local legal restrictions.

Seriously, there's a reason why Spyderco replaced the Lil' Temperance with the Manix. If you want a tough-as-nails hard-use Spyderco with a great ergo grip shape and a full-flat-ground leaf-shaped blade, you want a Manix.
 
I have a Mutant Rhino version of the Lil' Temp, and I find the ergonomics to be better than any other knife I have. (It's a Rhino because of the blade shape and Mutant because one of the liners isn't totally nested, but it's a great knife.) I've been thinking about trading it for a drop-point version, but the Mutant Rhino is so darn cute.

Anyway, I digress. The main thing to know about this knife is that the handle looks absolutely bizarre, but once you hold it, you understand.
 
Gryffin

Good review!!

The Lil' Temp is a great knife, well designed, well manufactured. It's a tank with great ergomonics. Mine is the leaf-shaped blade and it is one folder I have absolute confidence in. It's not a slim, light package, but that's not what it was designed to be. It was designed to be a heavy use, martial blade craft tool, and that it really delivers on.

David
 
Shmackey said:
I have a Mutant Rhino version of the Lil' Temp, and I find the ergonomics to be better than any other knife I have.
By "Mutant Rhino" I presume you mean the "trailing point" variant. Never seen one of those in person, but from pictures it looks like a larval Chinook. Very wicked!

Schmackey said:
Anyway, I digress. The main thing to know about this knife is that the handle looks absolutely bizarre, but once you hold it, you understand.
It *is* more comfortable than it looks, but IMHO, the Manix feels better. The Lil' Temp's grip is deeper, so it might fit bigger hands better. Are you one of those guys with big ol' mitts?
 
Cliff Stamp said:
The handle is interesting, did you try it in a variety of grips?
Ayup. Hammer, saber, icepick, pikal, side, it worked well in every one I tried.

(I'd even wondered why there was a big oval in the milling, near the tang; until I tried a side grip. Duh. :rolleyes: )
 
4 s ter said:
The Lil' Temp is a great knife, well designed, well manufactured. It's a tank with great ergomonics. Mine is the leaf-shaped blade and it is one folder I have absolute confidence in. It's not a slim, light package, but that's not what it was designed to be. It was designed to be a heavy use, martial blade craft tool, and that it really delivers on.
I agree. My only real beef with it was carry comfort, between the pocket-shredding clip and that thumb ramp poking me. Other than that, it had a lot going for it.

So why didn't it sell? Did it just look a bit too "out there"? Who knows. The knife-buying public can be mighty fickle.
 
Gryffin said:
By "Mutant Rhino" I presume you mean the "trailing point" variant. Never seen one of those in person, but from pictures it looks like a larval Chinook. Very wicked!


It *is* more comfortable than it looks, but IMHO, the Manix feels better. The Lil' Temp's grip is deeper, so it might fit bigger hands better. Are you one of those guys with big ol' mitts?

Yeah--"Rhino" because of the trailing point and "Mutant" because the liners aren't perfectly flush inside the G10.

Actually, I have small mitts, and I find the Lil' Temp to be extremely comfy. Then again, I also like the Chinook. Really, folding knives are never going to be "too big" for someone's hands (unlike, say, extra-wide or fat guitar necks), so I think it really is a case-by-case assessment of how a particular handle fits your mitts.
 
The only problem I have with the LilT is the clip. Yes, I can even forgive the lack of a choil. That clip is totally ridiculous. Someone should come up with an "aftermarket" replacement. :barf:
 
Redesigned? I hadn't heard. I kinda thought that the Manix was the redesigned Lil' Temp!
 
Yeah, the Lil'T wasn't discont. because it is not selling well, but because the Lil'T 2 is already in the pipe. Can't wait for that either. I have to disagree (as always) with the clip. I really like the clip on the Lil'T. Oh well, I guess you can't satisfy everybody. I always wondered, if its name "Lil' Temperance" is not a play on words, because the Lil'T is hardly an excercise in moderation.

The big advantage over the Manix is really the extremely efficient use of bladelength. The Manix and the Lil'T have essentially the same edge length, and the Lil'T is a whole lot shorter.
 
I thought it was a very nice knife, and it sharpened on the sharpmaker better than any knife if have seen, freakishly sharp! :eek: However, and I hope Spyderco changes this on the new one, the thing that I did not like about this knife, was for all its compact power, it did not have thumb serrations, ala Manix, or the Para, and all the newer models. The smooth backing on the blade bothered me for some reason.
 
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Nice review, thanx.

The model was diso'd because of our inability to consistently deliver (vendor issues).

We do have a newer design, actually two variations. (one in FRN and one in Titan). But we have so many models in R&D right now that we're forced to slow down a bit on the newer pieces.

sal
 
Gryffin said:
I agree. My only real beef with it was carry comfort, between the pocket-shredding clip and that thumb ramp poking me. Other than that, it had a lot going for it.

Sal...having missed out on the old one, I'm pretty excited about the new one. Please fix Gryffin's complaint though! This has also become my number one issue in buying Spyderco's. My Calypso Jr. is perfect in the pocket....my Centofante III catches and (eventually) abrades the fabric of my pants when clipped, and I'm worried about it scratching my phone when pocketed.
 
We would more than likely opt for a 4 way clip. We would use either something more like the new "hourglass" clip on the Endura and Delica 4's. (The clip design is quite refined and performed well in testing) or a deep pocket wire like the UKPK).

have you an opinon on a clip?

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
We would more than likely opt for a 4 way clip. We would use either something more like the new "hourglass" clip on the Endura and Delica 4's. (The clip design is quite refined and performed well in testing) or a deep pocket wire like the UKPK).

I very much like the deep pocket wire clip of the UK Penknife. Very unobtrusive, and it doesn't seem to abrade the fabric of my pants at all. Far better than any other clip I've used so far. The only complaint I have is that mine lost its nice darkish brown colour by now, so it's a bit more obvious than it used to be.

Hans
 
Sal Glesser said:
have you an opinon on a clip?
I second the wire clip. I loooove the ones on my Native III and Meerkat, and have often wondered why you don't use them more often!
 
Habeas Corpus said:
I very much like the deep pocket wire clip of the UK Penknife.

Hans

Can't comment on the uk penknife's clip...but deep pocket, please!! Deeper the better.
 
Another vote for the deep wire clip. I've got two Spydies with the wire clip, and I can find only positives about it.
 
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