Spyderco Manix 2 Foliage Green G10 with Carpenter Steel

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I just got this Friday and its very nice . Do you think I should use it or put it away ? Its not numberd but I think spyderco is only making 500 of them . Wish they would make a full production run of them in the carpenter steel.
 
What Tony said. It is too nice of a knife to languish in a drawer or case. I use mine and enjoy it all the more. :thumbup:
 
steveg30 said:
I just got this Friday and its very nice . Do you think I should use it or put it away ? Its not numberd but I think spyderco is only making 500 of them . Wish they would make a full production run of them in the carpenter steel.
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I think they are making either 1000 or 1200 of them. They just came in 2 waves of 500 or 600 each with a 2-3 month gap in-between.
 
steveg30 said:
I just got this Friday and its very nice . Do you think I should use it or put it away ? Its not numberd but I think spyderco is only making 500 of them . Wish they would make a full production run of them in the carpenter steel.
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I can't say what you should do. If it were I, I would use and enjoy it.
 
steveg30 said:
I just got this Friday and its very nice . Do you think I should use it or put it away ? Its not numberd but I think spyderco is only making 500 of them . Wish they would make a full production run of them in the carpenter steel.
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This is first production knife with CTS-XHP steel. I expect this steel to substitute CPM S30V which is now confirmed by recently leaked out CATRA test results to be pretty average way behind CPM S60V which it replaced 7-8 years ago. So I guess Crusible era which actually ended once they stop producing CPM S60V (and for so many years and after so many attempts can not make anything better), are gone for sure now.

I am not sure if it will be any collection value - does not look that any body care about first production ZDP189 knives. I also think that every knife manufacturer will start using this steel and so it will not be exotic any more.

I am using my Manix 2 from first run and really pleased with it - it does not only show excellent test results, but really works longer then other knives. I used to cut tooling leather, and woodworks.

Thanks, Vassili
 
nozh2002 said:
This is first production knife with CTS-XHP steel. I expect this steel to substitute CPM S30V which is now confirmed by recently leaked out CATRA test results to be pretty average way behind CPM S60V which it replaced 7-8 years ago. So I guess Crusible era which actually ended once they stop producing CPM S60V (and for so many years and after so many attempts can not make anything better), are gone for sure now.

I am not sure if it will be any collection value - does not look that any body care about first production ZDP189 knives. I also think that every knife manufacturer will start using this steel and so it will not be exotic any more.

I am using my Manix 2 from first run and really pleased with it - it does not only show excellent test results, but really works longer then other knives. I used to cut tooling leather, and woodworks.

Thanks, Vassili
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CTS-XHP will never replace S30V. The high hardness and toughness seem pretty good, but the thing doesn't have enough carbides in it to be worth half a damn in terms of wear resistance. You hear a lot of things about the steel, but wear resistance is not one of them.

I would however expect it to replace 154CM as a premium steel.

As far as my Manix 2 goes, it seems like a decent user knife. Not hard use, but great for light to medium EDC cutting. Trimming one or two cases of corn alone seems to rapidly degrade the edge from hair whittling to the point where it tears paper instead of slicing it. Corrosion resistance seems pretty good.
 
Noctis3880 said:
CTS-XHP will never replace S30V. The high hardness and toughness seem pretty good, but the thing doesn't have enough carbides in it to be worth half a damn in terms of wear resistance. You hear a lot of things about the steel, but wear resistance is not one of them.

I would however expect it to replace 154CM as a premium steel.

As far as my Manix 2 goes, it seems like a decent user knife. Not hard use, but great for light to medium EDC cutting. Trimming one or two cases of corn alone seems to rapidly degrade the edge from hair whittling to the point where it tears paper instead of slicing it. Corrosion resistance seems pretty good.
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Wear resistant make it hard to machine - this is why knife industry refuse to use CPM S90V as replacement on CPM S30V and instead chosed CPM S30V which is 8 times less wear resistant then CPM S90V - according to Crucible data. Spyderco cancel announced limited edition of Military with CPM S125V because of wear resistance.

However, wear resistance does not directly related to edge retention. CPM S90V - 13 place, CPM S30V - 19 place and CTS-XHP - 2 place.

About you case - can you provide more details on you test? Initial sharpness, way of cutting, was it only corn or you use some wooden base - etc. So far it is not very clear, I remember you having some doubts in sharpening when you first report it. I am not sure that based on this one use after one week or so you can really do this juggement.

I use mine for leather cutting and wood and it works longer then other knives - for sure longer then CPM S30V which is joke on my opinion and does not even have too much carbides (unlike CPM S90V or CPM S30V), just because amount of carbon there is less then in CTS-XHP and less then in D2.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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I use mine all the time , very good steel get it while you can :thumbup:
( of course mine is not green anymore :D )
 
steveg30 said:
I just got this Friday and its very nice . Do you think I should use it or put it away ? Its not numberd but I think spyderco is only making 500 of them . Wish they would make a full production run of them in the carpenter steel.
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I'm using mine all the time. It is in my EDC rotation, and I just HAVE to carry it at least once or twice a week. Too nice of a user to leave in a drawer.
 
Mine is a user. It's too nice not to use. Also, they don't seem to be commanding much a resale price on the secondary market, so I'm not sure how "valuable" it is a safe queen, if you're coming at it from that angle.
 
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