Spyderco Military Titanium lockbar question

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After owning a military for some time and it being a favorite folder, I decided to get the titanium version.
First impressions were good, fit and finish is excellent except for the lock bar. The stainless insert that Spyderco puts on the end of the titanium lock bar doesn't parallel the surface it engages on the blade. It only makes contact on one end so the contact is somewhat gritty and inconsistent. Sometimes lock-up is very early and sometimes not. If it's early and you apply light pressure it advances but then is very sticky when you release it.

The liner lock on my G-10 Military parallels the surface it engages on the blade so bar/blade contact is 100%, consistent and smooth. It's this inconsistency between knives that makes me question if the Ti is within specification. If both knives had only a partial lockbar contact I would conclude that Spyderco designed it that way, but the lock bar contact is different between models.

I would be curious to know from other Military Ti owners what they're observing regarding the lock bar performance on their knives. Older versions that preceded the stainless insert will most likely be different and not relevant for comparison.

Input will be helpful in determining whether or not anything would be accomplished by returning the knife to Spyderco. I don't want to pay shipping fees and have the knife gone for weeks if it's completely within manufacturing specifications and will be returned unchanged.

Also I would like to add that I'm a long time Spyderco fan and am not trying to be critical of the Ti Military or Spyderco, rather just trying to determine what's going on with the knife.
 
When you speak of the tang and lock bar being parallel, are you looking at it from the side or down at the handle (like if you were looking at lockup percentage)?
 
I know it's not exactly the same thing, but my Sage 2 is as you described. Haven't had any issues. The fact that the rest of the knife is so precise makes me think that the lock is supposed to be like that? The thicker-than-liner-lock bar doesn't need as much engagement? I shined a bright light into my handle from the bottom and was able to see the engagement at ~1/3 of the tang. Curious what other have.
 
When you speak of the tang and lock bar being parallel, are you looking at it from the side or down at the handle (like if you were looking at lockup percentage)?

Here are a few images that will hopefully illustrate the situation.
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My G-10 Military along with several other liner locks I have engage like the lower image. The Ti has minimal contact
as shown in the top image because the face of the lock bar is approaching the blade at the wrong angle.
 
Your Military is perfectly fine. If the two surfaces met parallel, the knife would be VERY difficult to unlock.
 
Here are a few images that will hopefully illustrate the situation.
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My G-10 Military along with several other liner locks I have engage like the lower image. The Ti has minimal contact
as shown in the top image because the face of the lock bar is approaching the blade at the wrong angle.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha. As Rev mentions, it's supposed to be that way. The vast majority of frame locks are built like that. Marthinus has a great post on this topic: [url]http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/966235-frame-lock-should-the-lock-bar?p=11049951#post11049951[/url]
 
I'll read Marthinus's post when I have more time.
The Ti Mil seems to be smoothing out with attention so time will tell. Thanks for the responses.
 
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