Spyderco Military Vs. Emerson CQC series - production and material quality comparison

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Can anybody explain me what advantages in production quality do Emerson CQC knives have against Spyderco Military? For example, I have Spyderco Military Digital Camo. Handle is G-10, liner lock is titanium, blade steel is CPM S30V and clip is tight and reversible.

Emerson says that all their knives are hand made and of always limited availability while companies like Spyderco have assembly lines and produce the same Millies in tens of thousands that's why they are so widely available.

But is there any actual difference in the quality of manufacturing, materials etc. ? Can somebody enlighten me here? Why Emerson knives are so elite and hunted?
 
The lock of a millie is steel not Ti

Sounds like EKI making excuses again, the millie is a better quality and better performing knife than any Emerson.
 
The lock of a millie is steel

Are you sure? The matter is everybody is saying it is titanium. I have also took a closer look at my own Millie and the liner lock is really very similar to titanium, even the color is silver-greyish not like in steels.
 
The millie has always had a steel lock and in more recent years a steel liner was added to the other side. EKI at first used Ti for lock and liner then switch to a steel liner with Ti lock and currently I'm not sure but they may be back too all Ti.
 
By the way can anybody recommend me a knife maker who makes tactical/combat folders with better materials than Emerson Knives or Spyderco? Zero Tolerance maybe? I am just looking around for a high end quality folding knife.
 
View attachment 226728The HTM DDR gunhammer might be up your alley, it has a thick Ti lock in a military grade Al frame, S30V blade, assisted or not
By the way can anybody recommend me a knife maker who makes tactical/combat folders with better materials than Emerson Knives or Spyderco? Zero Tolerance maybe? I am just looking around for a high end quality folding knife.
 
ZT, Strider......

How tough do you really need it or how much more quality in materials can you really get?

You budget is the only limiting factor to the folder of your dreams.
 
My Emerson CQC-13 is has a better and more solid grip than my Military, a bit beefier, but I prefer it to the Military
 
How tough do you really need it or how much more quality in materials can you really get?

A tactical knife that won't get it's edge/tip damaged upon accidental impact on another metal/concrete/stone etc. With reliable liner lock in position away of fingers when normally grasping the knife. Speaking generally with good strong blade and ergonomically placed liner lock.

I am quite happy with my Millie but I am a bit afraid to use it really hard cutting something due to "fragile tip" as many like to say, handle is great but liner lock could be a bit deeper away from fingers grasping the knife.
 
If you use the knife for cutting tasks, the tip shouldn't be an issue. I highly prefer the Military to any Emerson. The Emersons just aren't my cup of tea.
 
If you use the knife for cutting tasks, the tip shouldn't be an issue. I highly prefer the Military to any Emerson. The Emersons just aren't my cup of tea.

Yes for routine cutting of various materials - cables, rubber, plastic etc. I am just a bit afraid that one day I will accidentally hit the floor or wall with the tip and damage it. Millie has a very streamlined and light blade comparing with other folders that is why I am concerned here. Emersons are more robust as far as I see.
 
Can anybody explain me what advantages in production quality do Emerson CQC knives have against Spyderco Military? For example, I have Spyderco Military Digital Camo. Handle is G-10, liner lock is titanium, blade steel is CPM S30V and clip is tight and reversible.

Emerson says that all their knives are hand made and of always limited availability while companies like Spyderco have assembly lines and produce the same Millies in tens of thousands that's why they are so widely available.

But is there any actual difference in the quality of manufacturing, materials etc. ? Can somebody enlighten me here? Why Emerson knives are so elite and hunted?
Wow, lot's of bad information here too.
-Emerson knives are not "handmade" in the way you are thinking, if they were they would all cost near Sebenza prices. All production knives are assembled by hand, yes. There are people that fit the blade into the handles and screw everything together.
-As far as advantages are concerned, it's all a matter of personal preference. Spyderco uses S30V, Emerson uses 154CM. The edge on the S30V in this case will outlast the 154CM edge.
-Spyderco is a small company, there are no assembly lines that I am aware of rolling out knives 24/7. Bad information again, but that certainly is flatering to Spyderco I'm sure.
-The limited availablility factor of Emersons could be because of smaller batches made (shorter production runs), this gives the impression that the knvies are so awesome and great that they are always out of stock. Brilliant marketing if nothing else. I would definitely not say the knives are elite by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that the knives appeal to collectors even though the owner disapproves of this to some extent.
-The G10 in the Military is not regular off the shelf G10, it has additoinal fibers for added strength. It's made to order by Spyderco.

Are you sure? The matter is everybody is saying it is titanium. I have also took a closer look at my own Millie and the liner lock is really very similar to titanium, even the color is silver-greyish not like in steels.
Everybody in this case, is incorrect. Titanium will wear out and deform faster than steel would. I recall reading a thread where Sal chimed in and mentioned something to that effect when a similar question was asked. Also, identification of metal based on color alone is very inaccurate. some stainless steel are nonferrous as well so the magnet trick isn't reliable either in this case.

By the way can anybody recommend me a knife maker who makes tactical/combat folders with better materials than Emerson Knives or Spyderco? Zero Tolerance maybe? I am just looking around for a high end quality folding knife.
Are you looking for a good quality pocket knife or does it need to be "tacticool"?
Spyderco, ZT, Benchmade, Cold Steel, HTM, CRK, Strider, Hinderer all make awesome knives that come in at different price points. Browse around, look at pictures on the forums and see what pops.
 
Yes for routine cutting of various materials - cables, rubber, plastic etc. I am just a bit afraid that one day I will accidentally hit the floor or wall with the tip and damage it. Millie has a very streamlined and light blade comparing with other folders that is why I am concerned here. Emersons are more robust as far as I see.

A knife will perform better when it is designed to cut, having a tactical blade does not mean it will perform better but it might look cooler.
 
I find most Emerson fans really do hype it up. Yes, they make fine knives. Some I wouldn't mind owning one day. It's usually chalked up to them being tactical where other knives are "fake tactical". read a post by an Emerson fan recently saying "this is why I will continue to buy Emersons", and it was an article or letter, basically Emerson talking about how his knives DON'T have as good fit and finish as other knives, but bragging that his knives were present when saddam was captured, and when OBL was assassinated, and then he said that no spydercos were present (really? you know this how?). I just found it to be extremely laughable, I'm sure there were more leathermans and SAKs present than Emersons, why don't they get the hype? But it's really good to know that when a military man needs to open up MRE packages and cut zipties, he relies on the ultra tactical emersons!

I'm not a huge F&F geek, I expect production knives to be imperfect, but not sure what Emerson really has to offer at such a large price leap besides inferior materials and admittedly crappy F&F??? That said, I've not noticed any fit and finish issues on the ones I've handled, and like them a lot. I just find the Military to be superior in every way as a 4" working knife. Carries like a small knife, roomy handle that can be gripped in many ways, the overall angle of the knife, so the tip is lower and more in line with your arm for piercing tasks, etc...

By the way can anybody recommend me a knife maker who makes tactical/combat folders with better materials than Emerson Knives or Spyderco? Zero Tolerance maybe? I am just looking around for a high end quality folding knife.

You won't find anyone making a knife with "better materials" than Spyderco,(unless you get into crazy customs) Spyderco always pushes the limit of new materials. What you might find is someone making a knife with similar/thesame materials, but in a different style. There are other high end Spydercos you can use if you want a stronger tip: Manix, Gayle Bradley, etc...

But by all means try different knives, don't stick to Spydercos if you're not sure. I've just been around the block and settled on spyderco, they can handle my every knife need and more. if i want a small gentleman's knive, they've got it, a big, thick workhorse knife they've got it, the most well designed 4" working man's knife, they've got it (military :p ), you want the most high end steels with great heat treat? look no further. and everything in between.
 
Are you looking for a good quality pocket knife or does it need to be "tacticool"?

No, nothing "tacticool" just a knife that does it job well in cutting various things and will not crack if hits accidental screw or nail in the piece of wood. For the present time I have three more or less serious knives - full-size KA-BAR USMC 1217, Spyderco Military Digital Camo and Gerber Applegate-Fairbairn Covert. It is impossible to use KA-BAR somewhere outdoor as this thing is huge and I have to carry it in the bag or something it is bigger than a normal sized pistol, Gerber Covert is more for fun as I like the design of the knife very much so my main "knife workhorse" is Millie. So far I used it in the garrage, camping out and cutting, slicing various things and never had a problem. But the knife is expensive therefore naturally I don't want to break it some time and I wonder how strong this "fragile tip" actually is.
 
If you want a sturdier tip, there are several better designs than the Military. That tip is indeed fragile, generally speaking. The Military is a cutter, and it does that very well as it sounds like you know.
Most any knife's edge will sustain damage if you contact a screw or nail with force. But no quality blade will "crack" under normal cutting use.
 
While not made for prying, the Military is tougher than you're giving it credit for. I don't think you will lose the tip if you nick a screw.
 
The build quality of my Emerson CQC-10 is as good as any of my Spyderco Military's.

The lock strength is debatable, I would gather the steel locking liner will last longer on the Military vs the Emerson's Ti.

Blade strength goes to the Emerson, hands down.
 
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