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spyderco paramilitary 2 sticky lock engagement fix

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Im not sure if this has been mentioned before but, after dealing with my paramilitary 2 compression lock feeling increasingly "sticky" and hard to disengage I began to take the knife apart and reassemble it after a couple of times i realized that when I flip over the tube with the top two screws connect into (the screws next to the pivot screw), one side caused the lock to be very sticky, while reassembling and flipping the tube the other way still kept the lock up solid but caused the disengagement to be totally smooth and tolerable, has anyone else noticed this? is the tube designed to be asymmetrical?
 
That tube is called the stop pin. And in most (not all) knives, rotating the stop pin will adjust lockup and such. Rotate it until it's the way you like it, tighten it down, and keep it like that. As the blades tang wears in and the lock travels, you can rotate this pin to adjust.
 
Yeh, I suggested the stop pin tweak to a friend who had an extremely sticky lock(estimated 10 lbs to disengage). It fixed it.
 
Pretty much does the same thing. Just loosen the two side screws and roll it with your finger a bit and try the blade out before tightening it fully.
 
Wish that worked for me but it didn't. I have been carrying para everyday. I find that if I don't flick it open the lock is more managable and I hope over time(I'm sure long time) it will get smoother
 
Just got my all black PM2 in the mail today, beautiful knife, I have the PM2 grey sprint run as well.

The lock on the allblack is extremely hard to disengage to to a point where (depending on how hard I flick it) I need two hands sometimes.

I have tried rotating the stop pin a few times to no avail, any other ideas?
 
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I've tried everything to make mine less sticky. I carried it for over a year almost non-stop and it hasn't gotten any better. I've just learned to deal with it.
 
None of my PM2s have had this prob. But my brown PM2's detent is insanely strong. It takes a lot to middle finger flip the blade out. When i do put enough into it, the blade flips out so hard and it sounds like its hitting the stop pin too hard. :( I hope the 2 sprints I have on pre order are perfect.
 
(FIXED MY INCREDIBLY STICKY PARA 2 LOCK)
Hello all,
I know this is an old thread but I thought I would share my experience. My first para 2 was the all black version. I was stoked when it came in the mail but I had a similar problem. The lock felt like it was snagging on a burr or something. Once I cleared this "catch", the rest of the disengagement was smooth. If you have this issue, send your knife to spyderco and have them fix it. No question its the right move. BUT, if you're impatient as all hell like me or you've already voided your warranty, try this:

Take the knife apart and polish all components with a fine grit sand paper. (I used 2500). Inspect the tang and the "lock ramp" (the area on the tang opposite the stop pin that pins the liner to lock the knife, not sure what to call this) and see what the surface looks like. Make sure there are no burrs or indents. Go through all of the standard solutions mentioned above, because the less you can alter the knife to get a solution, the better. Out of the box, aside from a rough finish, my lock ramp had a slightly concave surface. Just barely but enough to raise concern. If the surface is uneven like this, it only makes sense that the lock would stick, as all of the pressure is digging into this concave area.

Put the blade in a vice using a towel to protect it and remove some of the metal off of the bottom part of the lock ramp using a dremel, some files or some sandpaper. Really whatever you have handy. DONT remove any metal from the top of the ramp. Doing so will make your knife lock up farther than it should and is totally unnecessary. All you are trying to do is flatten the convex surface. We are talking thousandths of an inch here so don't go crazy. If your unsure, work on flattening for a bit, polish the tang and test the lock. Repeat these steps until it works like it should. Make sure to polish the ramp to a mirror finish as well as any parts that come in contact. Clean the knife, oil, and put back together. TIP: When reassembling, getting the perfect lockup is a matter of balancing the tension on the pivot screws, stop pin, and the rest of the frame. Take your time when tightening to ensure this is solid. You want absolutely no play in the blade with the least amount of tension required to accomplish it. It is also recommended to loctite these screws now if possible (blue 242 loctite)
When finished, my lock ramp had an almost convex surface, but only barely. However, the lockup of the knife didn't move any farther up the lock ramp, because i focused on not removing metal from this area.
THE KNIFE WORKS LIKE A CHARM. Disengaging the lock is buttery smooth, but the lockup hasn't been affected. (I've put an enormous amount of pressure on the spine to test this and this thing still locks like a champ) Also, the pivot is mint.
I DONT RECOMMEND DOING THIS IF YOU ARE NOT MECHANICALLY INCLINED. Just send your knife to spyderco. But if you're confident in your fixer-upper abilities or you already voided your warranty, this is a great option. My para 2 went from a dust catcher right out of the box to what is now my daily carry knife, and it has only gotten smoother since. A basic understanding of physics and mechanics and a few good tools can solve just about any problem :)
 
Also, I recently received another para 2 (digicam and satin) and it has the same issue. The lock ramp seems worse than my first knife in terms of flatness and it shows in how hard it is to disengage. Ive gone through all the standard solutions again to no avail, though its smoother now that its polished :D I'll be doing the same "mod" to this one and I'll post the result. It's funny that despite both my para 2s being almost unusable out of the box I still freakin love them.

You can see the difference in the pic below. Check out the tang on each.

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It was my impression that the concave portion of the blade where the lock bar engages is SUPPOSED TO BE CONCAVE. It's for the longevity of the knife, it wears in as time passes. It seems yours works fine when flattened and you fixed the stick. However, millions of Spyderco knives have the concave portion and work flawlessly.

Just pulled my sage out, it's concave.
 
You know that came to mind before I did the work but I didn't worry too much about it. Several of my liner locks are concave as well (I have a sage too) I think in my case it was less the fact that the ramp was concave and more that it was an uneven concave curve. Flattening it seems to have eliminated that possibility. I can definitely see how the concave design could prolong the effectiveness of the lock though. Maybe it differs for a compression lock slightly due to the well...compression on the lock. I wonder if a small round dremel could be used in place to not completely flatten but smooth out the surface. Maybe I'll give that a go on the digicam one. I plan on carrying the black para 2 for quite a while before changing it up so I'll post again if I experience any negative side effects.

It seems like the compression lock still has its minor kinks to be worked out for large scale production. Or maybe not. Either way its still one of my favorite locks. I hope they continue to use it on more and more spyders. (Maybe an upcoming Sage) :D
 
JUST TO REITERATE FOR ANYONE WHO READS THIS: The post above is not THE solution. Just what worked for me. I can't help tinkering. If you have an issue, send it to Spyderco!
 
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