spyderco verses Columbia River

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I’m looking for any information or opinion on any of these three knives. The Spyderco Endura, verses the Columbia River-M16, verses the Columbia River-Kasper. This knive will be used for work, pasture and general purposes and last step self defense. Also what are the thoughts on a tanto verses a drop point blade? Finally, if anyone know of a good deal on one please let me know.
Thanks for any help
J. McBang
 
You will most likely get many more responses in our general forum so I will move this there.

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Welcome to the forums, good to see a fellow Texan here. Let me start out by saying that I think CRKT is making some of the best knives at their price point right now and the Crawford/Kasper is no exception. Based on what you said are your intended uses I think you would be better served with the Endura. Better steel, more comfortable to carry (the CRKT is really heavy) and an excellent all-around utility blade that could certainly double for self-defense. I've carried one for years to do just the things you described. If you want a cross between the C/K and the Endura check out a Spydie Wegner. A little more money, but a great knife in a stouter package.

I'm not really a tanto fan, especially for utility work, but that's just a matter of preference.

Jack
 
If the knife is intended for utility use and "last step for defense" - I would advise to give up with CRKT Kasper. This knife is designed for fight, in my opinion it is by far too heavy to daily carry. Not last issue - it looks like fighting knife and this look can make you unwanted "advertising".
Now let's compare CRKT M16 series and SPYDERCO Endura.
In my opinion steel is not issue here, the difference in edge holding between ATS-55 and AUS-8 might be quite unnoticeable in real life.
M16's are stiffer and stronger, especially the series with aluminum handles.
Endura has by far slimmer and lighter package.
M16's are designed for tip-down carry.
Endura (or Delica if you want smaller knife) are designed for tip-up carry.
M16's have liner locks, Endura (Delica) are designed as lockbacks.
Blade shapes differ a lot also. Prices are quite comparable.
So think about your personal preferences in these matters and make your choice.
Quite important - try to handle each knife and decide which fits your hand better and allows more comfortable work. Think this is much more important for knife daily use than steel, locking mechanism design etc. - just my opinion
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Sergiusz Mitin
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If you want serrations, I think Spyderco has the best serrations out there. The Endura is also a tried and true utility design; though perhaps not as strong as the others you mention, I think it is tough enough to do any reasonable cutting chore, and to double as a weapon in case of need. I also like the Spyderhole more than thumb-studs.
 
I have handled the Endura. It seems a sound smallish knife. Strong enough for everyday chores and the like. I tend to prefer a larger knife. I recently picked up a CRKT M-16-14 to check out for awhile. I really like it, it has the Tanto style point, which is not the best utility style blade to be sure, but it is a strong, well made knife for the price. The flipper tab on the blade makes this knife a cinch to open, even with gloves on. Not a bad overall addition to someones knife collection. Good Luck,
Remember, when in doubt, buy both!!!!!!
 
I tend to agree top to bottom with Sergiusz's assessment. I'd stick to the M16 versus Endura, and there are a number of tradeoffs each knife makers versus the other, that make this decision non-trivial.

For me, the superior carryability (light weight and very slim profile) and sharper-but-weaker point of the endura, are more important than the superior all-around strength of the M16. I also have an innate distrust of liner locks, which again nudges me towards the endura. But I could not criticize someone for deciding that the M16 is the right choice for them, based on other criteria, it is a well-done knife.

Joe
 
As you can tell by my name I would chose the Endura or Endura II..I Have carried a Spyderco Endura for several years since way back 93-94..Through those years I have also carried several different Benchmade,Nealy,Buck,Gerber and Schrade Models but the ENDURA was ALWAYS riding right next them..As for the tip issue over those years I have broken 3 tips ,but then again I was doing things I should'nt have been.

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I think you Would notice a difference in edge holding between ATS-55 of the Endura and the AUS-8 of the M16. Spyderco went to the ATS-55 for edge holding over AUS-8. I like AUS-8 because it takes a true razor edge easily, but it dulls faster than ATS-55.

I like studs over holes and I like a light weight knife. I like the Junglee Marshall with studded AUS-10 blade. This is the opposite end from the CRKT in heft. I like AUS-10 as giving razor sharpness with decent toughness.
 
I can not really say anything about the CRKT knives having never used one but the Spyderco Endura is an excellent knife for everyday use.
For your purpose a drop point or recurve blade would be the best choice, a tanto point is more for piercing than cutting.
 
Hey Guys...

I've got a CRKT Kasper,, and it's a Hellva Hunk of a knife...

I was quite impressed with it, and the double lock is rock solid...

The only thing that bothers me about it is "Tiawan" etched on the side...

This still bothers me, and I know we've talked about the Tiawan issue before, but if I were to have been in the market for the knife,, no matter how much I liked it,, I wouldn't have bought it because of this...

I much prefer the knife to be made in at least Seki Japan, but still prefer a US made knife Anyday of the Week...

The quality of the CRKT is Very high, price seems to be good and they should be proud of their blades, just leave the "Tiawan" off of the etch.....

ttyle Eric...

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Eric, don't you think you are putting the place where knives are made over their real quality?

Yes, it's well known that putting production at Japan allows to reduce costs comparing wit the quite similar production in USA. Putting production at Taiwan can reduce costs even comparing with Japan.
But tell me please how geographical place itself can influence product quality?
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Yes, it is plenty cheap trash made at Taiwan - if world market requires it they are making it. But can this prove they can not make decent things? Nope! All is the question of ordering terms, price and quality requirements.

And tell me please don't you know some American made trash? I could mention pretty good deal but here is not advertising forum
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I think I know where Eric's coming from.
CRKT is good quality, but the TAIWAN etched into the side of it doesn't really seem too impressive when you whip it out to show it off.
Yeah, that may sound a little shallow, but I'm big enough to admit that I'm guilty of it too.
There's ALWAYS a certain amount of "showing off" when you buy a new knife.
Let's face it, if style and status weren't part of the equation, you could buy a HUNDRED cheapo knives (for the price of a Sebenza) to suit your purpose and just throw them away when they broke.
Keep a few dozen at home and you're set!
Doesn't sound like much fun though does it?
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Hey Serg....

There is no reason that a quality product can't be made there.

It's just that theres a Stigma attached to the knife and or product.

A lot of people have a bad taste in their mouth when they see that. Truthfully it's a Big turn off to me and is a Large factor whether or not I buy the knife or for that matter Any product I buy.

Sure I still do buy some things, but if I can at all possibly help it I won't and pass it up.

Knives are just one item that I usually never do.

Geographic location, does make a difference to me..Sure it's shallow but thats just the way it is and, Has nothing to do with the people who live their..

ttyle Eric....

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Ken, Eric, I understand you well!

I also have meet a somewhat odd faces when I have showed my CRKT knives (starting with older and cheaper Commander Doolittle) in some Polish knife stores: "Hmmm, Taiwan - it must be something so-so!"
But I'm malicious snappish dog and additionally stubborn mule (nice joint, don't you think?) and I always said: "Taiwan-made so-so? Maybe, but tell me please why you can't to put your hands away from this so-so in your store full of so beautiful knives?"

Now even if someone doesn't notice Taiwan etched on the blade (or pretends he didn't notice) I'm always saying to spite: "Please note - this is Taiwan-made!"

Just my own experience and impressions
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I have all three knives you mentioned and my everyday carry is an Endura. It is a cutting machine that hold a razor edge for a very long time and is easy to resharpen on my sharpmaker.
 
YOU SAY YOUR GOING TO USE IT FOR WORK AND THE LIKE,AND AS A SELF-DEFENSE BLADE? WELL,I THINK YOU SHOULD GO WITH THE ENDURA. WHY? SIMPLE,THE ENDURA IS CHEAPER,THE HOLE WILL BE EASIER TO OPEN THAN THE THUMB STUD(especially if you wear gloves while working).I'VE CARRIED AN ENDURA FOR 8 YRS,AND IT HAS SERVED ME WELL THROUGHTOUT MY MILITARY CAREER AND IN MY CURRENT CAREER AS A FIREFIGHTER. THE SAME KNIFE HAS BEEN THERE WHEN I NEEDED IT MOST AND HAS NEVER FAILED ME ONCE. I DON'T THINK A LINER LOCK IS SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH IT,UNDUE STRESSES PLACED ON A LINER LOCK WILL CAUSE IT TO FAIL(even the best LLs WILL fail).

SO,THAT IS MY OPINION,TAKE IT OR LEAVE.
BUT,BE SURE THAT YOU USE IT SAFELY ,NO MATTER WHAT YOU PURCHASE.

GOOD LUCK,

KEN
 
IMO only. Quality is the result of time, effort, caring, focus, skill, experience and drive.

Location is not a requirement.

Quality is also more than just appearance (unless it is soley intended for art). How many cycles will the tool perform well? And for how long?

cutting cycles, open & close cycles, dropping on the ground cycles, dirt & clean cycles, rust & clean cycles. These are the true tests of quality. Anything can be made to "look good". How well and how long will it cycle and perform well determines quality.

The name of the maker should, and does carry far more weight than the location of the subcontractor.

sal

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[This message has been edited by Sal Glesser (edited 06-22-2000).]
 
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