Stabilising blanks for Kitchen knives

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Hi There,
I'm fairly new to knife making and I have a question about stabilising wood for kitchen knife handles.

I have some popular burl and I'm wanting to stabilise it. What products can I use to do this? I've seen things like wood juice, cactus juice, stick fast etc etc are these ok for kitchen knife handles?

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks
Terry
 
If you're looking to properly stabilize, I can't remember the name, but there's a guy all the knifemakers use who's the "go to" for that. It's not a process that can't be done without specialized equipment.

If you're just looking to seal, I've have good success wet-sanding with BLO thinned out in a 50/50 mix with mineral spirits, win several sessions of application/sanding with a week in between to let it polymerize. Then finish with a coat of some bees wax blend/orange oil blend like Howard's feed 'n wax, or some other comparable product.

Not sure if BLO is great for food though. Linseed oil is food safe but he part that makes it "boiled" is other products.
 
My guess is to make the product soak into the material you are going to need a vacum setup along with the appropiate product. Unless it is your primary bussiness or you want to experiment with something still not in the market, your best bet is to buy the stabilized material directly.
 
Thanks for the replies. I’ve made a little vacuum setup but I’m unsure if wood juice, cactus juice etc is ok to use on kitchen knives?
 
The handle finish doesn't matter for food prep toxicity. I wouldn't chew on a BLO finished handle, but I also wouldn't chew on the phenolic resin of my Henckels, either. The problem here is that wood stabilizes differently based on species, grain, moisture content, temperature, et al before you even decide which chemical to add. Home-built vacuum rigs don't get the same level of penetration of the stabilizing agent--there's more to it than hooking up a shop vac to a plastic bag. Practice your process on something cheap, porous, with a loose grain, then cut it in half to check what you are getting. Then move up to tighter, denser wood. If you have a unique piece of wood that you want to get the most of, send it out to a professional.
 
Thanks for the replies. I’ve made a little vacuum setup but I’m unsure if wood juice, cactus juice etc is ok to use on kitchen knives?

I'm no expert on wood stabilization, but my understanding is that the things used for it are polymeric resins. If the wood juice or cactus juice can be left out in the sun on hot days for weeks on end without evaporating, and leave the wood waterproof, then it might work. If you want the burl material to be resistant to kitchen use, the stabilizing agent has to stand up to long term exposure. There are species of wood (e.g., members of the rosewood family, desert ironwood, lignum vitae) that have so much natural oil that stabilization is not necessary. If you can duplicate the performance of the natural oil in those woods, you would probably be fine. But you need a good vacuum setup to make sure the wood is fully impregnated.
 
The handle finish doesn't matter for food prep toxicity. I wouldn't chew on a BLO finished handle, but I also wouldn't chew on the phenolic resin of my Henckels, either. The problem here is that wood stabilizes differently based on species, grain, moisture content, temperature, et al before you even decide which chemical to add. Home-built vacuum rigs don't get the same level of penetration of the stabilizing agent--there's more to it than hooking up a shop vac to a plastic bag. Practice your process on something cheap, porous, with a loose grain, then cut it in half to check what you are getting. Then move up to tighter, denser wood. If you have a unique piece of wood that you want to get the most of, send it out to a professional.

This is a great post. I stabilized wood and other materials with home rigs for sometime when I was turning wooden/bone/horn pens on my lathe along with a bunch of other things. You can get a pretty dang good stabilized product if you are willing to put some money into the process and practice on different materials. You won't get the penetration of the professional stabilizers that have tons (literally) of pressure applied, then vacuum cycle. But you can get enough penetration to keep the wood well protected. I did a bunch of kitchen knives made with blade blanks I bought and used the home made stabilized material.

Now, if I am gifting a knife, I buy the blank then simply handle it the way I have my hammers, chisels, etc, that have wood handles. I use white oak, hickory, or other dense nut woods. For tool use that is exposed to all manner of sweat, rain, dirt, solvents, etc., the hickory or ash handles last until I break them.

For the kitchen knives I have handled, I use the same woods but treat them in a pan of mineral oil that is around 180 degrees. I leave the wood in for several minutes, and don't put it in the pan until I have finished shaping the scales. Since I glue and pin the scales, wipe off the back side of the scales with lacquer thinner to get them clean (like you would any oily wood) before epoxy application. I only drill one index hole for the pins for shaping, and then drill the others after the oil treatment is finished so there isn't oil in the holes before gluing. Never had a handle fail, and as long as they knives stay out of the dishwasher they last very well.

Just as a thought, think of all the kitchen knives (millions?) that have been made with wooden handles that are untreated nut woods. The Old Hickory line comes to mind, along with Russel brand knives (not A.G.) and decades old knives like Sabatier that used wood handles. A little care on these knives goes a long, long way.

Robert
 
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