Stainless Damascus or s30v?

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So I finally decided to man up and just by a sebenza seeing as how it is such a long term investment. But now I'm wondering if I should buy it in stainless damascus or s30v steel? For some reason s30v seems to be more popular. Is that just a personal thing or are there downsides to stainless Damascus? Also I plan to make this a EDC for a while, is damasucs more britle and likely to chip or break in use. oh and two quick questions about the sebenza. Does anyone know the Handel thinkness? I like my knives pretty thin. Also is a there a deep pocket carry clip for it? Thanks
 
Since you mentioned "EDC", I'm guessing that this is going to be a user; For a user, I would go with the S30V. I don't have any experience cutting things with damascus blades, but I do have a small Sebenza with S30V and it's held up very well.

I have had my small Sebenza for over a year, and I have only needed to sharpen it once (it does share a rotation with a few other knives). Right now I have a 20 degree bevel on mine and it cuts great (paper, cardboard, zipties). I havn't had any issues with chipping or staining with Reeve's S30V (at RC58-59).

The thickness on my small plain Sebenza (no inserts) is 10mm; the large version might be thicker. As for the clip, I'm afraid I don't know of any "deep carry" clips for the Sebenza :confused:.
 
Just put a caliper on my large sebbie -- the handle is about 0.46 inches thick (individual slab thickness right around 0.15).
 
I would imagine the S30V would outperform the damascus on a day-to-day basis, by a small margin, but not more. Depending on the hardness of the damascus, you may not notice the difference, unless you are using the knife quite hard. (It should have the Rc hardness on the card that comes with the knife, so you can check.)

If money weren't an option, I'd pick the damascus, myself, as my EDC needs are not extreme. I think price really is the primary reason you don't hear more about a damascus Sebenza. Performance wise, I don't think you'd lose any noticeable usefulness, or utility. If you have to sharpen it once every 3 months, instead of once every 4 months, that is not a lot of difference.

Just my opinion,
Daniel
 
Damascus steel is wickedly cool, beautiful, and, when properly forged, wonderfully sharp and strong. It is also very expensive, and, truth be told, modern tool steels (like S30V) are so good, that the margin of advantage of Damascus is much smaller than in past years. Got tons of money and want a piece of practical pocket jewelry that will give you a rush of pride and pleasure every time you hold it? Get Damascus (and leave it to your offspring in your will, as it will serve for many lifetimes). Want a fine tool at a reasonable price that will never let you down? Get modern tool steel like S30V.

Remember, it is never about the knife; it is always about the USER, and what he or she wants from the knife.
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I have to agree with everyone. The S30V is plenty strong and whatnot to be the one to get. If you want a knife that is gorgeous and will still cut great and not scare many sheeple then get the damascus.
 
I have a mnandi in ss damascus steel. I edc a large regular sebenza in s30v. Even though the blade shapes are of different size and shape, I do have experience with the ss damascus steel and the s30v. As far as a stainless steel goes, s30v is hard to beat. It was a steel designed just for the knife making industry and is very good and has earned a great reputation. I have found nothing wrong with s30v and have used it daily for almost a year and only have to sharpen it once in awhile as it holds a great edge.........The ss damascus blade on my mnandi is quite awsome and it was my first experience with damascus. I must say ss damascus is very stain resistant, very tough, holds an awsome edge and is absolutely beautiful. I would rank it right up there with s30v. If ss damascus was less expensive, I would certainly have more knives with it. If you have the funds, its hard to beat the damascus. I feel it offers everything the s30v does, just in a prettier package. I would highly recommend Devin Thomas SS Damascus. One day, I want to get a large sebenza with ss damascus, when funds allow, though it will probably be a few years down the road. You cannot go wrong with either choice in my opinion. If you have the funds though, its hard to beat the durability, toughness, and beauty of the Devin Thomas SS Damascus.
 
I may be wrong, it happened once. But doesn't CRK make the blue damaccus more as a looker than a user. Seems like I read somewhere that this damascus will not take an edge very well to begin with. The black damascus from DT is said to be as good as S30V. I am hoping to try out that claim in a couple of months.:D
 
A little history: Damascus blade making (the phrase "Damascus steel" refers to a manufacturing technique, not a type of metal) was developed independently in England, in the Arabian countries, and in Japan, well over a thousand years ago. Why did such different cultures, with almost no contact with each other, separately come up with the same idea of making blades by laminating different species of metal? First, because lamination increases the tensile strength of material (consider laminated wood or plastics, which are manufactured in layers to this day for the same reason: strength). However, they quickly discovered another advantage to laminating metal. All metals (including modern tool steels) are compromises with the laws of physical chemistry. Want more hardness? Fine, but your steel will be more brittle and might chip. Want more toughness? O.K., it will probably not chip, but you won't be able to put quite as sharp an edge on it. Etc., etc. etc. So, in each of the above referenced regions, some genius asked himself a brilliant question: "What if I took two metals, one real tough (but not hard enough) and another one that is real hard (though not tough enough) forged them together, and then folded them over again and again and again until the blade consisted of hundreds of very thin layers of hard-soft-tough-dull metal bound into a single blade?" The result is a miracle of human ingenuity that we call Damascus steel, which is a name Southern European soldiers gave it when they encountered it in the city of Damascus. The old Saxon blade smiths and the Japanese master katana makers had different names and different techniques, but basically the same idea. When forged by a master craftsman using the right metals (formulas kept as family secrets for generations) the result is a blade of legendary strength, startling light weight, and almost unbelievable edge taking and edge holding. Put simply, well-made laminated blades ("Damascus steel" blades, if you prefer) may be the finest cutting implements ever created by human hands. Yes, they really are that good. And, they can be breath-takingly beautiful. However, notice the caveat: "WELL MADE laminated blades." Lamination alone does not turn garbage into diamonds. Like everything else in life, crap in means crap out. Cheap, mass-produced laminated blades are crap. Masterfully forged laminated steal is a work of art with properties that make it superior to any single species steel. The stuff in the middle is, well, in the middle.

Bottom line: if you want the best knife it is possible to own, save up A LOT of money and buy a laminated masterpiece from a master craftsman. Can't afford that, or don't think that is a good use of your hard-earned cash? No problem, bro! Don't waste your money on some cheap imitation of the real thing. Go buy the best knife you can afford with a blade of modern tool steel. Use it with skill and pride, and feel good about the fact that you have a made the right decision for you, and that modern, single-species blade steel is able to deliver excellent service for generations.

Enjoy your search!

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