Staying warm when its wet?

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O:K: you are cold miserable and tired. You are also wet.

You don't have that much with you. A knife,lighter or favourite fire starter and a semi windproof not too water resistant jacket.

Include firestarting in this cause thats going to be such a boost.It will pick spirits up,help rescuers find you and incidentaly warm up your sorry butt.

The focus here is more the extras you can do. The things we wouldn't normally think of.
 
Internal heat comes to mind. No, not alcohol, but hot water if you have nothing to flavor it with. Also some caloric intake i.e. food. Next, a fire only warms you one side at a time. Since you don't want to stand in the fire, you try to build your fire next to a heat reflective surface like a rock or log, so that you get heat both front and back when between them. Um... I'm running out of...oh yeah, you can kill a large animal, gut it, and crawl inside. If you built a small fire in there too, you could...no, wait. That might be reaching a bit for the average guy.

Codger
 
Fire for sure, but beyond that.... keep your head in the game.

Get your self moving on what needs to be done immediately. Fire, shelter, ringing out extra water in clothing, ect.... No real personal experience myself, but from what I have been taught and read is, don't let panic get you. To many people just give in to there miserable situation and panic.... and stop thinking! As soon as you stop thinking you might as well pack it in.

The closest I ever really came to a situation like this was when I was 10. My Grandad took my Brother and I ice fishing and I fell through a thinly cover fish hole. I only fell up to my wast so I wasn't completely soaked. My Grandad stripped the bottom half of my clothing off, wrapped me with his heavy wool coat. soon after he had a good fire going, and an about two hour or so later, I had a line in the water.

Common sense is still the best tool you have.
 
Well, here's one no one's mentioned yet-

Go Home!
:)

Well... there is that.

I got caught in a wet snowstorm once while solo canoing a wilderness river. I pulled into the bank, tried and failed to make a fire under a tarp shelter, then climbed back in the canoe and powerstroked to my takeout. I got wetter, and the snow melted when it hit me and the canoe, so I had water in the bilge before I got there. A quick tent setup, fired up my little Optimus stove and two candles, dried off and put on dry clothes, slipped into my sleeping bag while my water boiled for a hot meal and cocoa.

I went duck hunting without a retriever or chest waders, shot my limit then waded waiste deep to pick up my ducks. I returned quickly to my blind, gathered my gear, and "power-walked" back to my vehicle in frozen pants.

Yes, continuing on and generating muscle heat is sometimes an option. Occasionally the only reasonable one.

Codger
 
I went duck hunting without a retriever or chest waders, shot my limit then waded waiste deep to pick up my ducks. I returned quickly to my blind, gathered my gear, and "power-walked" back to my vehicle in frozen pants.


Codger

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Codger, please let me know if you ever decide to write an autobiography. I will be your first sale ... no kidding.:thumbup:
 
There are other things to consider: broken bones have been mentioned, but also gunshot wounds and knife wounds. When I was 8 I did myself serious damage with a Kabar, right through the femural artery on the left thigh. Fortunately my father was right there to apply tourniquet and compress. A doctor was found to patch me up. But If I had been out in the woods by myself, which I often was, it would have been all over.
 
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Codger, please let me know if you ever decide to write an autobiography. I will be your first sale ... no kidding.:thumbup:

Lol! It's just one idjuts life outdoors. Nothin special about it. But...

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Damm, Codger changed that topic quicker than you can say "KevinTheGrey!" :D ;)

Ummm, yes, where were we....Cold and Wet. Tenjewberrymuds.
Two great tastes that go together like Fart & Church. Cold & wet.

Assuming wilderness, away from creature comforts, I look at it like a ticking clock. Miserable, followed by more miserable, followed by a dose of hypothermia later. Time is of the essence, and the tasks won't get easier, so collect your thoughts, pick your first two or three tasks, and recite them to yourslef several times, "Get a fire going, make shelter, make hot drink".
"Get a fire going, make shelter, make hot drink". "Get a fire going, make shelter, make hot drink".

As you gather firewood and prep things for a fire, move briskly, don't just slum around. A little exercise and increased heart rate is OK short term, knowing you will have fire soon. Don't skimp on this baby, it's gonna have to warm you up, dry your clothes, and heat your water.

Location location location. Plan the fire and shelter location in your head, think about possible wind, rain, where the sun will set, and where it will rise.
It warms up quicker in palce that receives the morning sun as soon as it's light, can make the difference of 10 degrees vs, being in the shade.

Always have all your fire starting material within reach, tinder, kindling, fuel.
You can move it to it's primary spot once it's lit, so, pick a nice dry place, out of the wind. Next to a big ol tree, on a flat rock. the flat rock allows a quick way to move it. if you are moving your fire, have a bed of fuel there ready to catch.

You can also move your fire a short distance using two large sticks, like mega-chop sticks. DON'T do this if it's very dry out, you'll start a forest fire.
We are talking Cold and Wet here.

Once you have a fire cooking, take a moment to warm hands and feet.
heck, take 5 or 10 minutes, you are livin large now with your Gangsta-Fire.

You can get the water warming task set-up, and allow it to do it's thing while readying shelter. OK, assume you have no metal container, but you do have a 16 oz. plastic water bottle with clean water. No problem, set it close, beside the fire, it'll pick up radiated heat and be warm in 10 minutes.
If it's warm to the touch, then it's warm enough to warm your insides.
You'll probably need the hydration anyway. Don't gulp, give the water and warmth time to absorb.

While collecting firewood, you also spotted and grabbed the begginings of your shelter too. So, you are multi-tasking, adding to the fire, heating and drinknig water, and getting shelter built.

Once you have decent fire, it's all downhill from there. Also remember the heated Rock trick. Pile rocks by the fire, then move them to your shelter when you go to sleep.

make a stand or tripod next to the fire. Now that you've warmed up a little, hang that wet jacket/coat to start drying, and continue with the shelter.

Next Scenario: Same, except it is drizzling rain. Now this is where the fun begins.
 
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I don't really have anything useful to add, but I just wanted to thank you, Codger. I haven't laughed like that in weeks.
 
Kevin, your topic is a good one, and which we who venture outdoors need to remind ourselves of often.

Staying warm when its wet?

First, I think we need to stay as dry as possible either with our clothing choice or shelter. In a forrest, the shelter can be as simple as a leaning tree. Look for one with the bark dry on one side and stand there. Thickly branched evergreens such as cedar and spruce often have dry areas underneath because the needle covered branches act like "thatch" to direct the falling water away from the base of the tree.

Second, conserve whatever body heat you do have if you get wet. This can be changing into dry clothes if you have them, or if not, wrapping yourself in a vapor barrier to slow evaporative cooling. Contractor trash bags are great for this. Remember the water survival position to slow loss of body heat... curl up in a ball to make yourself more compact, knees to chest, arms around legs.

Third, if you get shelter, dry or wet, add some external heat such as from a fire if possible. Even the seemingly insignificant heat from a votive type candle can add warmth to your hands and feet, not to mention the naturally ulifting effect light has on the human spirit.

Fourth, add internal heat from heated liquids, or heated food. Even unheated food adds caloric fuel to your body's natural furnace, your metabolism.

Fifth, if you are wet, cannot get dry, cannot find or make shelter or a fire, and you are not 100% drained of energy, move. Exercize. Walk, paddle, cut wood, whatever it takes to not only extricate yourself from the situation, but to generate muscle heat.

As was mentioned, positive attitude can carry you through many things. It helps you to be creative when it is most needed, and keep trying to find solutions no matter how many times you fail.

Codger :thumbup:

PS - Spend enough of your lives outdoors, and you too will have a great variety of experiences!
 
First only wear clothes that insulate when wet. Wool, Fleece etc.. YOu are better off naked than in wet cotton.

Second get a fire going and dry those clothes.

Third get the fire roaring to maintain heat.

If its raining or wet out get under shelter, this takes priority in most situations. Then start fires.

The rest will take care of itself.

Skam
 
Wool pants from Cabelas. Filson Tin Cloth Packer Coat with wool vest liner. Arc'Teryx Covert Scarf. OR Seattle Sombrero. Sealskinz gauntlets under half finger wool convertible mitten/gloves. Custom sized vented silnylon shell from "The Packa" carried in the PSK. Vasque Sundowner GTX boots and wool blend socks. Expedition Crocodiles Goretex Gaiters. Small silnylon tarp folded in coat pocket. Fire piston, charcloth, cedar mulch, and fatwood chips in the PSK with a metal match backup (a Kelty Eagle day pack). Who's wet and cold again?:D

In western Oregon, in the outdoors, all I think about is getting wet since it is a matter of when rather than if. I thank God wool doesn't irritate me. I just wore this get up above to claim a Christmas tree from the Willamette National Forest up by the Santiam River. My knees got wet from snow while sawing the tree, but no significant cold penetration regardless. Should have laid the tarp as a ground cloth, but I didn't. I have a pair of Sorel Conquests and some silnylon outer pants in my Jeep if I have to walk much further than to/from my vehicle.

I spend a lot of money on my outdoor gear, but I am worth it.:D
 
I have switched to ultralight hiking gear in the last couple years and clothing is a challenge. I'm usually hiking on the west side of the Washington Cascades where rain and humid conditions are common. My concerns with getting wet are from precipitation, perspiration, and accidental dunkings while crossing streams.

Losing my pack while crossing fast moving water is one of the scenarios I try to prepare for. I carry my PSK in a fanny pack separate from my main pack while crossing streams in case I fall and my pack heads downstream. My local mountian streams are snow and/or glacier fed and full of large boulders. Falling in brings the possibility of getting very wet, very cold, injuries, losing my pack or all of the above, making it one of the riskier events I can have on a hike. I take the PSK with me whenever leaving camp and it is easliy transferred to my day hiking pack or vehicle. I carry a lot of the same components in my commuting backpack.

Clothing: mostly synthetic. I don't personally like wool-- makes me itch. If you can use it, there are a lot of very good products from Smartwool, Ibex and others. I do have a down sweater for cold weather bivouac use only. It would have to be way below zero for me to actually hike in it.

Here's my hiking clothing list:

Shoes:
Summer: Vasque Velocity trial runners. No Gore-Tex, as my feet get wet from sweat or a sloppy creek crossing and don't dry as fast as non-membrane shoes will.
Shoulder seasons: Salomon Mid GTX light hikers
Winter: Nike Air Walloha Gore-Tex boots
Gaiters: Mont-Bell stretch gaiters. I wear them mostly to keep my cuffs out of the mud and they do keep crud out of my low top shoes. I have OR Rocky Mountian High coated gaiters for sloppier conditions or snow. I don't use tall gainters enougth to justify the cost of Gore-Tex or other expensive venting types, but they are available if you need 'em.

Base layers: Patagonia Capeline or Golite C-Thru polyester silkweight long johns and tops. Use Expedition weight stuff for cold weather camp and sleeping.

Mid layer: Mountain Hardwear Power Stretch long sleeve zip top. Power Stretch is great stuff-- feels great and can be worn bas or mid layer. Light and packs well. I might carry a fleece pull over. I have an LL Bean model that has light fluffy fleece I found in a thrift store for $5. It is useless in the wind without another layer. Great to sleep in.

Insulation layer: Moonstone Cirrus vest. Polyester fill full zip vest. I see that Patgonia has finally come out with their Micro Puff vest in a full zip version. For really cold weather, I use an REI down sweater for camp or sleeping. If I hiked in it, it would be a big sweaty mess in the first mile. Cold weather bottoms are layers of polyester expedition weight Capeline or fleece. I don't do a lot of snow camping, so this is as far as I would go. If I needed more, Patagonia and Mountain Hardwear make some good insulated pants.

Outer layers: windshirts have become a real staple in ultralight hiking clothing and IMHO, they work. You can get a water repellent windproof outer layer weighing 6 to 2.5 ounces that packs to the size of an apple. I use a Montane Lite Speed hooded jacket that is 6 ounces in the XXL size (they run one size small for US sizing). Some hikers like the same for pants and typically wear them over running shorts. I prefer stouter hiking shorts or zip-off pants. I'm a thrift store junkie and I have a collection of Ex Officio, REI, and Orvis models that all work well. For winter hiking I have a pair of REI heavy nylon pants that are water repellent and tough-- more like nylon jeans than the thin light stuff found in my other hiking pants. For summer stuff I can always use my rain pants if it gets too windy and cold. If the weather is that bad, it is usually went as well anyway.

Rain gear: Marmot Precip jacket and pants. This is good light weight stuff and has decent venting features like pit zips. I've read some extensive tests on the breathability of rain gear and and ventilation is the only thing that really works. Any of the breathable fabrics are overwhelmed by perspiration when working hard. Full front zippers, pit zips, cape style vents and venting pockets are all features to look for. If there is a factor that will make me hypothermic, perspiration is it. I'm a walking fountain when working hard and wicking fabrics and venting rain gear are essential.

I just aquired a Mountain Hardwear Exposure II jacket that is more like body armor. At 2 pounds 5 ounces, it is definately not ultralight hiking stuff. After the last month of record rains and commuting in a 60 MPH wind storm, I got myself an early Christmas present. It has big venting pockets and pit zips. I would use it for a day hike and it is the cat's meow for urban survival, but too heavy for multi-day backwoods trips.

One trick I use for cool weather hiking in rain is to wear my rain pants with just a pair of silkweight polyester long johns under. I stay warm and dry, the long johns keep the cold clammy rain gear off my legs and the layers don't bind on each other.

But I rarely take a rain jacket for multi-day hikes. I use a rain cape, a variation on a poncho that is also my shelter and a core part of my survival gear. It is made by Six Moon Designs (see http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=45 ), which they call the Gatewood Cape Shelter. It is made from silnylon, gives 360 degree protection from the rain and turns into a 35 square foot shelter with one pole and five stakes. You can use a hiking pole or any handy stick to support it. It all tucks into it's own pocket and it is perfect for a day hike emergency shelter or multiday ultralight trips. It covers my pack when used for rain gear and ventilates far better than any jacket. So I get shelter and rain gear for 11 ounces. It is a solo rig and it does leave your hands and forearms exposed if you are using trekking poles.

The final link in this chain is my sleep system. I use a closed cell foam pad, a Polargaurd Delta fill sleeping bag and a Tyvek ground cloth.

To the point of htis thread, all this gear will dry quickly and still insulate if wet. These materials are designed to wick perspiration and breathe well. Most will dry from body heat if wrung out and put on. They can all be worn together or in any combination to suit the conditions: a system of insulating layers and protection from wind and precipitation. My whole kit is 12 pounds base weight for three season use, added more weight with heavier winter layers (below freezing conditions). Add water, fuel, and food to suit. That gives me a 21 pound pack for a three day trip.
 
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