stealth camping! (shhhhhhh)

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This seems like someplace it's safe to bring this topic up ;) Does anyone (or HAS anyone) have a 'stealth camping' story they'd be willing to share? Advice? Gear? Anything else like that? What I'm thinking of in particular is just disappearing into a forgotten/hidden/obscure? site, maybe even near your home, for a nite. No fire, necessarily, just a private hidden overnite stay and then gone before sunrise (leaving no trace of course). Something about this appeals to me and I have a place or 2 staked out near me already! I'll probably 'roll off the trail' on my bike with my Maxpedition daypack, down bag, Big Agnes pad, solo tent, light, a Nalgene of water, and a couple granola bars (a couple knives of course, too!) if I can fit it all in there. I'll try to remember to report back if/when the deed is done.
 
Well I have done a lot of recon type of camping. Scouting out marijuana and heroin fields in rural parts of Mexico. Some of the things to think about are, night time navigation, camouflage, and picking a good spot to watch your target. Take a look at this video by some Ex SAS members, half way through the video they cover covert observation posts.

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John "Big Mac" McAleese” that appears in the video, passed away on 28 August 2011. Mac first came to the attention of the World in May of 1980 when he led a squad of SAS soldiers in a raid on the Iranian Embassy which ended with the release of 19 hostages and in the death of all but one of the terrorists who had over run the embassy some 6 days earlier.

I met and trained with him in 2005, he was a great man. RIP John.
 
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I've done it in my younger day. Usually went in after dark by canoe from the water side of a restricted area, and dragged the boat up into the woods and camped out. Left at first light, and drifted off down river. A dark color small boat is hard to spot on the water at night. It was fun, but I don't think I would do it now. My better half has me trained well. :D

Carl.
 
Nope, nothing illegal, that would be frowned upon by all of us law abiding posters and our law abiding moderation staff... no more talk of breaking the law! :grumpy:




:rolleyes: ;)
 
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Ok, a little closer...
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Used a campsite last night, since noone was around. I usually don't like being right on a trail, or near other people, so I suppose most of my camping is "stealth" camping.
The main reason I use a bivy isn't to be stealthy, though, but so that I can drop my stuff, and make camp anywhere-under trees, between rocks, etc. I don't plan, or look for, campsites, just stop when I'm ready to. Only need a relatively flat spot 3' wide by ~8' long.
The bivy's pretty long, but my pack and everything fit inside.
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Not sure what the point is unless you don't want to be bothered by other people camped nearby. If you're just going to sneak on someone else's property, camp, then pack up and leave in the morning, you might as well get permission, or "camp" in your own back yard, rather than do something wrong just for the sake of doing it.
Not a bad idea for trying out gear if you can't do so at home, or have a place to camp nearby, though. I used to do that in my back yard.
 
You talking along the lines of this guy?
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My only suggestion is that if your in and area that doesn't have thick cover and/or heavier traffic, minimize light usage, might be worth investing in a headlamp with red LED's as they preserve night vision and the red light seems to dissipate quicker with distance.

-sh00ter
 
Years ago my friends and I did quite a bit of "stealth camping". It was totally legal, but required in order to reduce confrontations with irate landowners along rivers and streams in Arkansas. It took quite a few years to get the law straightened out and specific as to what was and was not allowed on free-flowing streams in that State. Archaic law said that the public had the right to travel on navagble waterways. But a few landowners claimed the streambed and the banks, including gravel bars, that were below the high water mark. More than once we were visited in the night by owners of land adjacent to a river, or on both sides of a river, and told to pack up and get gone. RIparian rights and the term "navigable" were eventually defined in favor of recreational users, to the chagrin of some land owners who liked to surprise floaters with strands of barbed wire strung across a stream. So for years, we stealth camped.

We understood where their angst came from, aside from pure greed and guarding property rights. SOme people were and are slobs, leaving trash behind, cutting live trees and abusing the areas adjacent to the rivers and streams. Many figured out that floaters were their best allies in combating the problems caused by miscreants.

A big hurdle to overcome was the archaic definition of public waterways termed "Navigable". Commercial navigation was the old definition. Thankfully, recreational navigation was eventually recognized as legitimate use. And use included the banks, gravel and sand bars up to the high water mark.

In Arkansas ownership of the streambed itself (the public’s right to use stream corridors for recreation) and the right of the federal government to regulate activities on a stream is based in part on the question of navigability.

In 1980, the Arkansas Supreme Court decided that the definition of navigability includes recreational use with its decision in State v. McIlroy (268 Ark.277).
Under this decision, rivers that are used for recreational use, for even part of the year during normal flow, can be considered navigable.
If a stream is given federal navigability status, the federal government claims the right to regulate activities on that stream up to the high water mark.

If a stream is given state navigability status, the state of Arkansas actually owns the streambed up to the high water mark. Streams in Arkansas can be on both, neither, or only one of these navigability lists.

A determination of Arkansas navigability can only be made by the courts or through legislation.

The river bed of a non-navigable stream is presumed to belong to the adjacent property owner (called a riparian owner). This boundary line could change with the movement of the stream – adding or taking away from the total property of a streamside landowner.

The river bed up to the high water mark of a navigable stream belongs to the State of Arkansas to hold in trust for the public.
Many times a determination of state navigability is not made until the issue is raised in the courts.

The term “navigability” is confusing because it has been defined differently by federal and state entities.

High Water Mark:

The place where action of water is so usual in ordinary years that it marks upon the soil of the bed a character distinct from that of the banks with respect to the vegetation and soil. The high watermark can be very difficult to determine where extensive streambank erosion exists. The highwater mark is NOT the highest point that a river reaches during flood stage.

Legal Definition of “Traditional Navigable Waters”

A federal determination of navigability signifies federal jurisdiction for regulation. This is not related to the state’s determination of navigability, which signifies ownership.

What if a stream is on the federal navigable waterways list but not the state navigable waterways list?

The streamside owners would still own the streambed as determined by their deed, but the federal government would have the right to regulate the landowner’s actions in the streambed.

Under Section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of1899, the Corps of Engineers has jurisdiction for work done in waterways determined to be navigable by the federal government. Their definition of navigability is based on historic commercial use.

This list is only used to define the Corps’ jurisdiction under Section 10and does not impact ownership rights.

Public Use of Arkansas Waterways

If a waterway has been deemed navigable by the State of Arkansas, the public has the right to use it up to the high water mark. However, the public cannot cross private land in order to gain access to the waterway. Public access on a waterway, whether navigable or not, is supported through Arkansas property law.

Prescriptive Easement:

If a thoroughfare has been used continuously for seven years – with the knowledge but not permission of the owner, the public’s legal right to access could be protected through a prescriptive easement.
Prescriptive easements traditionally extend only to the thoroughfare itself, and not to surrounding lands.
Generally the judge granting the prescriptive easement defines the terms of use (how and where specifically the public could use the stream corridor)

ARKANSAS


1.Basic Description

Arkansas has adopted a recreational boating test to determine which waters are open to the public. A stream is public and boaters may use it if it is floatable for about six months of the year. The public has the right to use the water and the streambed up to the high water mark. It is not clear whether portaging above the high water mark is permissible.


2. State Test of Navigability

Arkansas courts have recognized the value of recreation and the concomitant need to access streams. Public waterways are those waters that are capable of being navigated by oar or motor propelled small craft. Furthermore, in order to be navigable under the state test, a stream need not be navigable for the entire year. While the minimum length of the period during which the stream is navigable is uncertain, courts have mentioned six months. Therefore, streams that are capable of being boated are definitely public waterways if they are navigable by small boats for six months of the year. Additionally, streams may be navigable even if the streams are navigable for shorter periods during the year, especially if they have a long history of public use.


3. Extent of Public Rights in Navigable & Non-navigable Rivers

The public has the right to navigate and to exercise the incidents of navigation in a lawful manner up to the high water mark on streams that are public waterways. One of the incidents of navigation is recreation. Another, although not expressly recognized, is walking on privately owned streambeds. Portaging in general is often considered an incident to navigation, although the Arkansas courts have not specifically mentioned a right to portage above the ordinary high water mark on public waterways.


4. Statutes Governing Landowner Liability

Arkansas's recreational use statute (Ark. Code Ann. §§ 50-1101 to 1107) was passed in 1965. This law does not require of the landowner to keep the property safe, warn of hazardous conditions, or provide any assurances of safety. In general, this law grants landowners broad immunity from liability for personal injuries or property damage suffered by recreationists on the owner?s land. However, the law does not protect the landowner from liability for willful or wanton misconduct, and does not protect the landowner if a fee is charged for the use of the property unless they are fees from land leased to a public agency.

Arkansas's tort claims act, which defines the scope of the government?s liability, is detailed in Ark. Code Ann. § 21-9-201 et seq.


5. Miscellaneous

Trespass upon land that is posted with signs is a misdemeanor that carries a fine of not less than $500 for the first offense and $1500 for the second.
 
I did a little when I was younger...nothing I wasn't supposed to do, just wanted to ;) To go "Stealth" you would want to go "Ultra Light"...I would look into maybe getting a decent UL Hammock, something like a Grand Trunk SkeeterBeater, it comes in OD green & will pack up & fit into your cargo pocket on your BDU's. You would also want to wear some type of Camo pattrern(depends on your enviromnet). & like was already said, look into a head lamp with red or green lens.
 
Watch out for the moral police - they are everywhere and willing to judge you no matter what! I am not adverse to parking myself on public lands that aren't exactly zoned as such. I also don't mind cleaning them up of other peoples trash, volunteering to the legitimate organizations to provide public tours, forming citizen groups to save our local spaces against development. I enjoy my public spaces, but also view my access to them as part of a responsibility to guard them. Screw the millionaires who want to buy a lot in protected woodlands by using their wealth to leverage the zonation laws by illegal bribes only to clear cut most of it and plant friggin' ornamental umbrella trees. I'll public fight these folks all the way.....and I fart in their gener-AL direction as well!
 
Ken, I imagine a lot of us have had the experience. Go back to an old home town and see all the woodlots, some small lakes, hillsides -- all gone, covered in suburban housing.

One of the highest hills near my high school got taken over by a developer who began work by clear-cutting the entire hill. Then he covered it in houses, lawns, bushes ... it took a generation for the new trees people planted to grow tall enough to provide any shade, let alone scenery.

I grew up in New York City. The neighborhood was all small buildings, three to five story. Then the last avenue over was taken over by the big hospital and turned into glass and steel towers for doctors and hospital workers to live in. Not even the concrete canyons are safe from irresponsible development.
 
Thanks Esav. It is often both sad and ironic. Ironic in that they bought and bribed their way into these places because of their beauty and as soon as you get one million dollar home built where it wasn't supposed to be built, pretty soon the whole park is lined with them. I'm not against development, but there are piles and piles of fallow fields that mansions can be built on and decorative umbrella trees planted and it all would cost so much less money. It must be a diseased mind that says - I really want that spot, so I can ruin it and then go through all the trouble of procuring it to do so.

Anyhow, I digress. I like to hang in the little bits of bush (always non-private) sometimes and employ LNT techniques in the process of doing so. I am usually careful to get dropped off so as not to have a car at a parking spot to draw attention. Funny thing is, these places are often far far more private than the busier sanctioned forests. You just have to be willing to forgive the odd siren and traffic noise background.
 
use a cylinder to cover the beam of the flashlight. For the fire, dig a deep pit so that the fire light doesn't give away where you are at, or just use a stove.
 
I do a lot of stealth camping in the UK. In winter most of the campsites are closed, so I camp in the hills. Its a legal grey area, but if you don't make a mess nobody really minds.
Its different in Scotland, as they changed the law, so its a lot like the Scandinavian countries where camping is concerned.
I use a hooped bivi, so nobody sees me anyway.
 
I grew up 30 miles SW of a very large city. There are roughly 15,000 acres of forest and no camping is allowed nor is parking overnight on any roadsides that travel thru these areas. There are just two "youth campgrounds" in this section that I can think of and they are seldom used.

I've seen my fair share of stealth campers over the years while out locally. Years back when I would shave some mornings with my little signal mirror, I'd see one of the culprits.
 
We always called it “rogue camping”. I’ve done it. In most of the state parks near me, there are plenty of campgrounds for use. The only problem is there usually isn’t much personal space in them. The tent sites are set up practically on top of each other, and I’m not really into that whole aspect of camping. There would be people from Boston driving in and using the campground like it was a party spot. They’d pay the fees, set up several sites, and be crazy all night. That’s fine with me, so long as it doesn’t ruin my “camping’” experience, and the rangers from the DCR never stopped them.

We’d occasionally drive to the campground parking lot, and bike deep into the woods where we would be undetectable. I also live with a town park abutting my property. I’ve camped out there before too, even there is no campground.

We got caught once by a DCR ranger, as we didn’t go far enough into the woods, but it turned out to be a ranger I was very friendly with as I mountain bike in the park all the time and he was familiar with me. He was totally cool with it. Just wanted to make sure we were OK and not some methed out crazies.

I always cleaned up, and never disturbed the wildlife.
 
Always an interesting type of thread. I think that every time you're out camping it should be done stealthily. As low impact as possible, little to no trace and keeping a very low profile. Before all the 9.11 increases in security, I use to do quite a bit on the military installations; always a lot of real nice training areas (not impact areas). If you didn't make an open fire, the range manager I knew didn't go out of their way unless they started seeing trash or garbage. When I lived on the post I'm currently working at, there were some great trails behind the housing area and my son and I did several "stealth" over-nighters. We always had a blast and that's when I first started using hammocks (also used the compact, netted bivi bag/tents). Of course, any fire used for cooking was most often from a stove but if not, it needs to be very small or even a Dakota-type fire hole. My son was around 4 or 5 and it was a great way to practice LNT as we had to "cover" our tracks and make it look like nobody was ever there...good training for the boy.

ROCK6
 
I have done some stealth camping, sometimes it might have not have been legal, but leaving a corpse due to not taking action to keep myself alive might have been more inconvenient to the community so I did find hidey holes to stay warm in. One in particular would be in suburbs where I would jump over snow piles under evergreens and making a fast shelter to sleep a few hours in peace. There are usually a lot of dried needles for insulation, the tree and snow mound good visual cover, and a poncho and survival blanket can be deployed quickly and quietly while laying down under the branches.
 
In the past I have camped "out of bounds" in a state park. The deisgnated campground sucks, being used mostly by RV-ers with air conditioners running all night, poorly trained dogs yipping and yapping, plus too many cars rumbling over the gravel roads.

To my knowledge there was no rule against using the hiking trails late at night. No rule against stopping somewhere to rest, nor any limit to how long I rested there. I'm sure a full campfire would have violated the spirit of the law if not the letter. But what about a quick cup o noodles on a pack stove? If it was okay to do at noon then it was okay to do at midnight as far as I was concerned. There was enough gray area I didn't sweat over it. I did leave the place pristine. No fauna or flora were harmed. It was a nice time.
 
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