Steel Heart sheath and Becker Knife and Tool

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Just got the new May 2002 Tactical Knives mag, and on the cover is the Becker Knife and Tool Combat CU-7 and the sheath it comes with looks very familiar, hmmm, where have I seen it before? It is the exact same one that came with my Steel Heart E. Has Becker been offering this sheath all the time? Just thought I would ask. There is a better pic of the sheath on the back of the magazine. Actually the Becker knife is not too bad looking either.
 
I presume they are the same sheaths (style of course). Interesting. BTW, while I don't think these are the very best sheaths out there, I've started to really like mine. I use the leg-tie ability, which I really like, and although the knife doesn't lock (snap) in like a conventional kydex, it does have a strap, and I don't really need the security anyway. Now, if I could just remove the kydex insert to clean it...will have to work out a way to do that one.
 
BK&T is one of the biggest Busse knock off companies I've ever seen. I guess they serve a purpose. It's kinda the poor mans Busse. But I still wouldn't strap on down when I got my Battle Mistress. And getting out the kydex insert I believe will destroy the sheath. I'm pretty sure it is hot glued all the way down. It's in there good.
 
Originally posted by Ryu
BK&T is one of the biggest Busse knock off companies I've ever seen.
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Why do you say that? Camillus and becker I believe were in the business way before Busse. what knives in the becker line-up do you think are rip offs ? the bk-7 is not really like a basic seven nor a SH - it's not even 1/4 inch and the profile is way different and the handles are nothing like a Busse....kinda a hard knife to beat for 60.00. I think though I may be wrong that the sheaths in question were not proprietary to either company but a third party sheath. Unless you think the patrol machette is a rip off of the dragons fang :) Now I am not gonna rid myself of my Busse's but I don't think the other line is a bad one for thier intended uses either.
 
I respect Becker Knife & Tool a lot. They've really put a lot of thought into their products and I really believe that for the money they ask, you can't find a better line of production knives. They're no Busses, but I think they have their place. I got a BK&T TacTool before I got my Satin Jack and it's still very useful.

~SteelDriver
 
Ryu, I read all of your posts and generally agree with you on most things, but I have to disagree here. I don't see Becker as a Busse knock-off. They (and Camillus) have a great product line for the money. I have several of their pieces including the Patrol Machete, the campanion, and the Machaxe. They're great pieces for what you pay. I absolutely love the Patrol Machete, and it fills a niche for me that Busses don't yet fill, a chopper with a longer blade.

TallPaul was right. Those sheaths are made by a third party company and I don't think it's a knock-off for Becker to use them. That's like saying two different cars that use the same tire are trying to be like each other.

I love my Busse's. I've got five of them right now (I know some of you have like 38,000 :) ) and I absolutely love them. I use and abuse them. They're not put on a shelf some place and forgotten. Given my druthers between the two knives, I would absolutely take a Busse over Becker.

But, recognize that not everyone has 300.00-3,000.00 to fork over for a high-end knife. I'm lucky because I don't have a family, wife, kids, etc. to feed, so I can support my gear junkie habit in the way of knives, guns, and camera gear. But, some don't have that luxury. That's where Becker comes in for them, and I have to say for the money that Becker does deliver!

I'm not trying to knock you Ryu. Lots of respect here for you. Just making a point I thought needed to be made.

Now, if we can just get Jerry to come out with that 13" chopper! :D
 
I haven't seen the magazine yet, but I was in a local shop this weekend and saw a bunch of Companions with Eagle sheaths!!!
Could the sheath in the current issue be Eagle? If so, they made a wise choice using the best nylon out there.
 
Re: the Becker sheaths. Ethan Becker in a post on the Camillus forum here on BFC said:
The sheath is a return to the second sheath design BK&T used which was pioneered by the late Al Mar and made back then by John Carver for both Al and me. I have always been partial to the design as it doesen't go bump in the night quite as badly as straight Kydex and the pouch is quite useful for a stone and multi tool or a magnesium bar,etc.,etc.
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I likewise concur with the sentiments expressed by others that BK&T knives fulfill a different market need than that covered by Busse blades. I find Busses to be the ultimate survival blades. I find BK&T blades to be more broadly affordable blades that offer good "bang for the buck", but not the absolute performance limits of Busse blades. I own blades from both makers and appreciate them for their own attributes. But my Busses are the ones that won't be sold. ;)
 
I own both Busse and Becker and don't find Becker to be a knock off of Busse. Both are great blades... I don't think I'll be replacing my Busse's with Becker's anytime soon, but I honestly think it all comes down to personal preferance. I know you can take the insert out of the Becker sheaths, as I did this not too long ago with my CU/7 with the intention of molding the insert to the knife to get a bit better retention. The glue was not that hard to break loose, and all I used was a pencil and a little time to do so.
 
I've contempating buying a Busse, and I was wondering if the opinions of today are as conflicting ad they were in 2002.

It seems that some consider design modes to be knock-offs while others perceive different designs for different consumers. What Is the Busse to Becker comparison in the Busse enthusiests eyes in 2011? Rather than referencing this thread I thought it would be easier to see the opinions here and now.

Also, to understand what Busse is about would a 4" knife suffice or would I need to handle a big chopper to get the full experience.

Thank you for your help
slapper
 
slapper said:
I've contempating buying a Busse, and I was wondering if the opinions of today are as conflicting ad they were in 2002.


slapper
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The primary reason there are so many conflicting opinions on Busse, or any other knife for that matter, is the willingness of so many people to comment and make judgements on knives they have absolutely no first hand knowledge of. So I will say right up front, I have no experience with Becker. I have no reason to think that they are not excellent knives. I know that Busse makes excellent knives.

Another major reason for so many conflicting opinions is that some people for some strange reason crave the affirmation of others regarding their choices. It is not enough that they use and enjoy a certain knife, they must somehow have affirmed that, because it is the one they own and use, it must of course be the best.

Having owned Busses since 1994, I am totally happy with my choice. I think that if you try one, you will be, also. There are Busse-like designs out there that appeal to me a lot. Among these are the Beckers and the Entreks. If I was not a Busse Hog I would likely own and be happy with one or more of these.
 
Thank you for you reply, you make some excellent points about the psychology involved.

I guess the main detractor from me currently owning a Busse (besides my wife)is the research required to decide. From my understanding they are produced in runs, and you need to order one before they are made, or buy on the secondary market. This make's it more difficult for a new guy to go out and buy a Busse.

I guess I'll have to go to Blade next year to handle one in person so that I'll know which size that I want. I wasn't able to handle a Becker before I purchased either.


I am attempting to resurrect this thread for a contest, but I am actually interested in purchasing a Busse someday.

There needs to be an introduction to Busse class.

Thanks slapper
 
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