Steel history for knife industry

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Does anyone know of a good resource for me to review the history of steel use in knives? and... The ever evolving "mixing of elements" that makes them better? I would really like to see how the prices have changed over time and how they are affected by newer steels.

I have heard from people that when AUS8 came out, that is was some really expensive stuff, but now you can find it on many sub $40 knives.

A time line would be really nice.

I am also interested in knife steel used in Wars from WW2 to Viet Nam.

Comments are welcome.:thumbup:


Thanks
 
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Good luck finding out what steels were used in earlier days of the knife industry. It typically wasn't mentioned unless something unusual was used, and then often company names were made up, in the manner of say, Carbon V.

Mostly they were unknown to us knife buyers.

The first I recall was Spyderco with it's steel charts, Randall maybe before that.

Aus 8a wasn't ever really sold as a high end, or expensive steel, except by Cold Steel. Buck's forum here had an old thread listing the use and changeover dates for the steels they used in their stuff. Most of the information for old knives from the 70's and earlier will be anecdotal.
 
440C and D2 are WW2 era steels, and they are still considered good steels today. M4 has been available for over 30 years.

Since ancient times there's been some steel alloys with 5% nickel made from metoerites. There's also been swords thousands of years old with a similar composition to 1060.
 
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1095 is an old one going back before WWII though I don't know how far.
 
Hi,

Most steels that we use for knives today have been around for a while. Most tool steels were originally developed for making, well tools. In other words, mankind's need to work other metals faster, better and longer. Their use in knives is mostly a secondary application. Even plain high carbon steels, (the first tool steels), like 1095 were first developed to make better cutting tools for manufacturing.

Some 20th century steels like M2/M4 HSS appeared shortly after the turn of the 20th century. They were developed for better cutter life at higher speeds and feeds during machining processes. They will hold their temper to a red heat and return to as tempered hardness when cooled. Though those two are no longer industry standards. Having been replaced by M42. Though they still find use in the cheap China made HSS drill bits and in HSS hand taps and dies.

D2 steel is from a family of hot-work die steels. Developed between WW1 and WW2. Often used for punches and dies in drop forging. They also get used in roller mills.

Stainless Steels appeared shortly after WW1. Though mostly as non-hardening alloys. I'm not really sure, but I don't think high carbon SS became popular for knives until the late 1950's or early 1960's.

Even the powered metals are primarily developed to speed production of complex shaped cutting tools like end-mills. The sintering process allows a part to be made to near-net shape. That they also provide improved tool performance is a double bonus.

With the rise of the mini-mill foundry and the ability to do small batch making, we are just starting to see "custom" knife steels appear. Like Sandvik's 14C28N. Which is an exclusive for Kershaw for the next year I think. Then it will be released for anybody to use. But if it doesn't find a bigger market, it most probably will be gone.

As for costs, well that mostly depends on how much you buy and to an extent, what shapes you want. As a machinist, I'm often amazed at the high price many knife makers pay for their steel. For example HSS like M2/M4. Go to a machine tools catalog like MSC and look up the price of a 3/4" endmill. That's about a pound of M42 HSS, ( a superior HSS compared to M2/M4). And made in a far more complicated shape and then ground and polished to +/- .0005" size. Compare that price to a knife blade, (a far simpler to make product), of about the same weight. The cost difference lies in the tons per week of HSS that a manufacturer like Niagara Tool will use vs. the Ton(s) per year that say, Benchmade might need. And custom makers get an even worse deal.

dalee
 
Awesome you guys! Thank you all for the information.

There really should be a book about the history of knife steels. As long as the industry grows and more steels become discovered for knife use -I am sure someone will write the book. (I hope it has lots of cool knife pictures too! Then it could double as a coffee table book.)

Thanks again.
 
Here is a link to Joe Talmadge's Sticky in Maintenance, Tinkering, ...etc. on knife steels as of 2005. Doesn't include some of the very latest, but a good overview of 2005 and earlier steels.

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Here is a link to Joe Talmadge's Sticky in Maintenance, Tinkering, ...etc. on knife steels as of 2005. Doesn't include some of the very latest, but a good overview of 2005 and earlier steels.

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Thanks. I actualy read that thread and it is what inspired me to ask about the history of steel used in knives.
 
Thanks. I actualy read that thread and it is what inspired me to ask about the history of steel used in knives.

You're welcome. That thread is the best one I've found so far. If you find one that is newer, please let me know. I'm curious where some of the newer steels stack up.
 
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