hey there folks, ive been looking at the navajo and the more i llok at it the more i like it. however i checked out the steel they are using for it and have come to realize that i havent seen that paticuliar steel being use in any other knife. is the steel soft? what are its properties if ur familiar with the navajo pls leave ur comments. also i heard that the navajo is made in italy,is this true?
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steel in crkt's navajo
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I Had the same questions before I bought mine. I was told that the steel was similar to aus6 in their other folders. It seems to be about the same or higher quality of their other folders. It is easy to sharpen and takes a very sharp edge. It is made in Italy. I really like mine but don't use it that often. I recently got a Boa and a Spyderco Harpy so i've been playing with and useing them a lot more lately. the handle shape is super comfortable and I like the blade shape a lot. it's pretty classy looking too and the action is very smooth just like most of CRKT's folders. I think that if you are a fan of CRKT knives, the Navajo will be a very good selection. the only prblem that I have with it is that the bead blasted stainless handles scratch easily. Mine actually aren't scratched more like scuffed. anyway it's a fine knife if you like CRKT knives.
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Not quite sure what the steel is, but it definitely seems of a higher quality than those made with AUS6 or 8. It's made in Italy which might make a difference because it's built like a tank. Some say that it's CRKT's best knife and it just may be. Very handy little thing that's surprisingly ergonomic for it's size. Very sharp and holds an edge very well as about 1/4" of it ended up in my finger not too long ago. Bled for about 5 days. My wife said that she doesn't think that I'm an idiot anymore.
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Regarding the steel in the Navajo, it's a common steel in the European market as it's utilized in many of the Swiss Army Knives.
As mentioned, this series is manufactured in Italy.
Be sure and check out the new "Contrail" also manufactured in Italy. It the new CRKT styling of this series which incorporates the two-tone black/blue G-10 used in the Wasp. However, the surface texture retains the grip purchase of normal G-10 but the accent grooves, logo and border reveal the rich blue color beneath for a distinctive accent look. I couldn't believe how different the series looked the first time I saw the new prototype for it.
The Contrail is so strikingly different to the Navajo that you have to compare to understand. It looks like a completely different knife. They weigh just over an ounce, the comfort and grip security of the handle has been taken to a new level, the lock-up strength is the same plus it looks is totally in another direction. The color doesn't show up very well in some shots on the web so it's best to see one first-hand if you can.
Jim
As mentioned, this series is manufactured in Italy.
Be sure and check out the new "Contrail" also manufactured in Italy. It the new CRKT styling of this series which incorporates the two-tone black/blue G-10 used in the Wasp. However, the surface texture retains the grip purchase of normal G-10 but the accent grooves, logo and border reveal the rich blue color beneath for a distinctive accent look. I couldn't believe how different the series looked the first time I saw the new prototype for it.
The Contrail is so strikingly different to the Navajo that you have to compare to understand. It looks like a completely different knife. They weigh just over an ounce, the comfort and grip security of the handle has been taken to a new level, the lock-up strength is the same plus it looks is totally in another direction. The color doesn't show up very well in some shots on the web so it's best to see one first-hand if you can.
Jim
ok. my dear friend.. to me.. all metal are good. it depend on what and y u need it for.
there are many steel.. some steel are used for construction, some in product design... and of cos.. knives ,blade , cutting tool .
just to give u a little mechanical knowledge on steel (cutting steel)
there are two big category.
1) stainless
2)non-stainless
for non stainless steel, this steel are very easy to rust, super easy to rust. but very very very easy to sharpen.. usually used as parang (did i spell this correctly)
for stainless steel... ahahh they are all this steel that we collect.. 154CM, ats34 , BG42 etc etc... cpm etc etc. they are more resist to corrosion but ... they can still rust if not taken care off...
ok.. in metallugry.. there are some point u have to know...
if your blade is hard... then they are not strong as they are brittle
if your blade is soft... than they are strong as they are not brittle
hard blade does not mean that they are do.. its just that theyare harder to be indented when the blade surface is in contact with the surface ....
as we ,, our daily lifes... we dont need to cut super hard material... so u dont really need much hard tool.. for leatherman.. the blade is made of 420J rockwell scale to about 54.. are my great working tool. if you are uing m2 high speed steel or ATS 34.. then i find its really too hard.. remember.. hard .. your blade will chip off.... then keekek.. think about it.. and if u buy BG-42.. its very hard to sharpen.. if u need me to explain y.. i need about 3 A4 paper to write out all the thoery.
softer materail will not chip off easily. but of cos.. easiler to blunt but easy to sharpen.
for the super alloy such as (remember ATS and 154CM are not under superalloy steel category) wait.. i think u like harder materail
let me explain the CPM (Crucible Particle Metallurgy) such as cpm440v, cpm10v, cpm 15v..etc..
this are called the super alloy.. they have super edge retention, must better than 154cm steel(154cm steel edge retention is better then ATS-34) but but but the hardness level (using the rockwell scale) is about 55 to 57... as compare to 154cm which is about 59 - 61. all this factors are due to the carbide in the material...
as to let u know.... rockwell scale which u used to determine the hardness of the blade are very not accuracte but the industry used it as it is very easy to test. there are many many other theory behide this area but i am not going to explain it here as it really going to take me days to explain.
so.. for your knife... u dont have to really go for hard metal...
for examlpe.. ats 34 , 154cm is about 60, gin 1 is also 60 but gin 1 has got better corrosin resistence and can go for water sport yet much cheaper. do u know that the leatherman.. the piler is only 48 to 49 hardness using the rockwell.. u know y... ? bcos , if u used a 60 hardness piler... i think u going to break the piler as its too hard...
ok.. after so much no sense theroy... u have a better picture of metal..
cheers...
there are many steel.. some steel are used for construction, some in product design... and of cos.. knives ,blade , cutting tool .
just to give u a little mechanical knowledge on steel (cutting steel)
there are two big category.
1) stainless
2)non-stainless
for non stainless steel, this steel are very easy to rust, super easy to rust. but very very very easy to sharpen.. usually used as parang (did i spell this correctly)
for stainless steel... ahahh they are all this steel that we collect.. 154CM, ats34 , BG42 etc etc... cpm etc etc. they are more resist to corrosion but ... they can still rust if not taken care off...
ok.. in metallugry.. there are some point u have to know...
if your blade is hard... then they are not strong as they are brittle
if your blade is soft... than they are strong as they are not brittle
hard blade does not mean that they are do.. its just that theyare harder to be indented when the blade surface is in contact with the surface ....
as we ,, our daily lifes... we dont need to cut super hard material... so u dont really need much hard tool.. for leatherman.. the blade is made of 420J rockwell scale to about 54.. are my great working tool. if you are uing m2 high speed steel or ATS 34.. then i find its really too hard.. remember.. hard .. your blade will chip off.... then keekek.. think about it.. and if u buy BG-42.. its very hard to sharpen.. if u need me to explain y.. i need about 3 A4 paper to write out all the thoery.
softer materail will not chip off easily. but of cos.. easiler to blunt but easy to sharpen.
for the super alloy such as (remember ATS and 154CM are not under superalloy steel category) wait.. i think u like harder materail
let me explain the CPM (Crucible Particle Metallurgy) such as cpm440v, cpm10v, cpm 15v..etc..
this are called the super alloy.. they have super edge retention, must better than 154cm steel(154cm steel edge retention is better then ATS-34) but but but the hardness level (using the rockwell scale) is about 55 to 57... as compare to 154cm which is about 59 - 61. all this factors are due to the carbide in the material...
as to let u know.... rockwell scale which u used to determine the hardness of the blade are very not accuracte but the industry used it as it is very easy to test. there are many many other theory behide this area but i am not going to explain it here as it really going to take me days to explain.
so.. for your knife... u dont have to really go for hard metal...
for examlpe.. ats 34 , 154cm is about 60, gin 1 is also 60 but gin 1 has got better corrosin resistence and can go for water sport yet much cheaper. do u know that the leatherman.. the piler is only 48 to 49 hardness using the rockwell.. u know y... ? bcos , if u used a 60 hardness piler... i think u going to break the piler as its too hard...
ok.. after so much no sense theroy... u have a better picture of metal..
cheers...
after reading my post again.. i notice that i made many spelling error... what am i doing... oh.. i think i was too sleepy that day.... ok... any one got any question on material??? i can help.. actually wat i wrote was just too simple...
if u have any areas that u need me to explain again.. then... i will help u to understand better.
may the force b wif u, yeah!!!!
if u have any areas that u need me to explain again.. then... i will help u to understand better.
may the force b wif u, yeah!!!!
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Hi Jim!
I just received both Contrails - very nice knives, lightweight and elegant. Even if this wouldn't be specified I would guess they are your babies - the style is seen exactly!
However I think they ask for a bit "higher" steel - AUS-8 or AUS-118 in CRKT line
I just received both Contrails - very nice knives, lightweight and elegant. Even if this wouldn't be specified I would guess they are your babies - the style is seen exactly!
However I think they ask for a bit "higher" steel - AUS-8 or AUS-118 in CRKT line
Lenny
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I bought a Small Navajo about a month ago just because I wanted a small folder and I liked its looks.
I'll be damned if it hasn't become one of my favorites.
Granted, there's a little blade wobble, and the grind lines aren't even. But, it takes a wicked edge very easily, has a very useful blade shape, great strong clip, and is relatively comfy in the hand for such a small knife. Plus, the price was right.
Lenny
I'll be damned if it hasn't become one of my favorites.
Granted, there's a little blade wobble, and the grind lines aren't even. But, it takes a wicked edge very easily, has a very useful blade shape, great strong clip, and is relatively comfy in the hand for such a small knife. Plus, the price was right.
Lenny