Steel Tme Line Information

MikeC

MikeC

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Anyone know where I can go to find a time line for steels, are can we can we start one here. I'd like to see the progression and improvements over time to try and measure volume of improvement compared to time it takes to acquire it. I'd even like to do one for Stainless Steels and one for carbon steels.

Anyone, know are have an idea of how to start one here?

Thanks for the help
 
How do you measure "volume of improvement"? I'd be curious to know...then one could find "the best" knife steel!
 
Each Company has their time lines available I believe, but nobody has compiled all the data into one.
 
I'm still working on this one...I see a graph..."Time" along the horizontal or x axis.....

But then I can't figure what would go on the vertical axis.
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it's a good idea to remember some so called ancient alloys can be tweaked to far surpass alloys developed very recently. about the only across the line improvement has probably been the process of using powdered alloys to obtain specialty steels that do'nt get alloy migration as they cool. even so fowlers forging of old 52100 bearings & busse's use of fairly common steels with arduous heattreats, not to mention sniper bladeworks increadible developements with old 1095 give us an idea that alloy inventions are not a truly forward progression as time moves along.--dennis
 
Hi Dennis,
I've not seen a timeline. And I have looked.

The matter becomes complicated because, not only do you need to determine when an alloy was developed, you have to figure out when it was first used in cutlery.

As an example, as near as I can figure out, 154CM was developed by the Climax Molybdenum Company in the late 50's or early 60's as an alloy for the fan blades on gas turbines. But I don't believe it was used as a cutlery alloy until the 70's. By that time the composition had been bought by Crucible.
 
Nobody else willing to address the 500 pound gorilla in the room?

What does "measure volume of improvement" mean? How is one steel "better" than another one?
 
What I was getting at trying was putting together the timeline into 2 groups stainless And carbon steels then putting them into chronological order. So even if it was only anecdotal we could in some vein attempt to gauge what was gained in the new material and weigh it against the time it took to bring it about.

This would gives us a glimpse of where we started, where were at and an idea albeit vague of where were headed.
 
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