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anything else available other than 420stainless
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steel used in buck 301
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Not currently, but we keep asking the Buck Fairy for a premium steel 301! 
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Santa is gonna half to hoof it if he is gonna get me a two blade 301/303 with clip and warcliff blade in Swedish steel or S30V. Especially if it has a jigged bone or yellow bone scale. There probably is a special elf that just does the scales.....
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420 HC is great for a slippie. Also, from a business standpoint, Buck should never, ever, EVER, EVER use a high dollar steel in their slip joints. Their warranty would put them out of business if they had to replace every slippie when some ignorant redneck broke their S30V or 154CM or whatever steel while using it as a screwdriver.
I hate it, but understand their decision. Try asking Spyderco or Benchmade for a premium steel with the tip snapped off.
I hate it, but understand their decision. Try asking Spyderco or Benchmade for a premium steel with the tip snapped off.
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I hope that the BCCI will come up with an S30V 301 in 2011... hint, hint.
I hope that the BCCI will come up with an S30V 301 in 2011... hint, hint.
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Ignorant redneck? Was the derogatory reference really necessary?Their warranty would put them out of business if they had to replace every slippie when some ignorant redneck broke their S30V or 154CM or whatever steel while using it as a screwdriver.
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Let me play big brother, and lets not go off topic here.
I was the postee ahead of Silver, and live somewhere that is almost the Wiki definition of the place of the personality type spoken about. I did not take the comment to be perosonal or aimed in my direction. I am pretty certain Grateful you were just being what you believe in and that there was attached no meaning to your home state either.
Let me confess, I have a mark against me in my blade forums file because over in traditional I made a remark in a unthinking manner about China production. Blues (Mod) was very nice in the manner in which he called me on the carpet, but he did give me the bad record mark. as he should of. I think Silver just slipped in his description of uncaring individuals of quality craftmanship and materials. Gratefuls calling to task is enough comment on it in my opinion. So lets rise up in the spirit of Christmas and let this sleeping dog lie. Lets go on and deal with knives. But everyone remember to be careful in our descriptions and use of the english venacular. Just my opinion from the post oaks.....
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I was the postee ahead of Silver, and live somewhere that is almost the Wiki definition of the place of the personality type spoken about. I did not take the comment to be perosonal or aimed in my direction. I am pretty certain Grateful you were just being what you believe in and that there was attached no meaning to your home state either.
Let me confess, I have a mark against me in my blade forums file because over in traditional I made a remark in a unthinking manner about China production. Blues (Mod) was very nice in the manner in which he called me on the carpet, but he did give me the bad record mark. as he should of. I think Silver just slipped in his description of uncaring individuals of quality craftmanship and materials. Gratefuls calling to task is enough comment on it in my opinion. So lets rise up in the spirit of Christmas and let this sleeping dog lie. Lets go on and deal with knives. But everyone remember to be careful in our descriptions and use of the english venacular. Just my opinion from the post oaks.....
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Good point on the warranty aspect. The less steels you have to use, service, maintain, and offer has to mean a lot of saved dollars for all of us.
The good news is that no one does 420HC like Buck. So we have a lot of great knives at very affordable prices. I am completely happy with Buck 420 for my pocket work knives. Can't think of a harder working steel to punish!
I have a brand new S&M that is also 420HC, but when using it I will certainly be using Buck as my benchmark for comparison of steels.
Robert
The good news is that no one does 420HC like Buck. So we have a lot of great knives at very affordable prices. I am completely happy with Buck 420 for my pocket work knives. Can't think of a harder working steel to punish!
I have a brand new S&M that is also 420HC, but when using it I will certainly be using Buck as my benchmark for comparison of steels.
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Let me rephrase. Ignorant redneck "Like Me".
Thanks 300. You are on target. I'm in the sticks myself, and there are no shortage of cutlery challenged people(is that better Grateful?) who use their knives as screwdrivers around here and prybars as well. Is that a more PC way of saying "ignorant redneck"?
Buck does 420HC great. I don't know the dollar cost, but it has to be cheaper than most of the super steels. And it's easy to see how Buck makes knives Wally World specials in China. Some idiot breaks it, and Buck now has to fix it. Most people want Buck to pay for the shipping back to them as well. They want something for free. I believe that it would be much cheaper to replace Chinese knives than it is American made ones. I don't have direct evidence to substantiate this claim. My best guess is they have piles of them in the warehouse and just ship out another when a broken tip comes in. I can't see them taking apart a $15.00 knife and replacing a blade, and putting it back together, but I could be wrong. It would be my opinion that the materials plus low cost labor would let them just send a new model. 420J is used on these imported Wal Mart specials for good reason.
For the record, I think people should have to pay something for broken tips, plus shipping, 420HC or othersise, else, they'll keep breaking tips. JMO and Buck has a different opinion. It works well for them but their layoffs in recent years have not gone unnoticed by me.
We had a thread a year or two ago that said Buck should use supersteels on their custom multi hundred dollar knives. The author of the thread pretty well looked down on them for using 420HC. Not me. I want them to use whatever keeps them in biz that is a decent working knife steel.
I never will forget something Thomas W of Kershaw one time said in this forum. I think it was him, if not it was some other employee of Kershaw. I'll paraphrase from memory "You have no idea how many knives get sent in to major knifemakers for broken tip repair". I took it that it was a lot.
Thanks 300. You are on target. I'm in the sticks myself, and there are no shortage of cutlery challenged people(is that better Grateful?) who use their knives as screwdrivers around here and prybars as well. Is that a more PC way of saying "ignorant redneck"?
Buck does 420HC great. I don't know the dollar cost, but it has to be cheaper than most of the super steels. And it's easy to see how Buck makes knives Wally World specials in China. Some idiot breaks it, and Buck now has to fix it. Most people want Buck to pay for the shipping back to them as well. They want something for free. I believe that it would be much cheaper to replace Chinese knives than it is American made ones. I don't have direct evidence to substantiate this claim. My best guess is they have piles of them in the warehouse and just ship out another when a broken tip comes in. I can't see them taking apart a $15.00 knife and replacing a blade, and putting it back together, but I could be wrong. It would be my opinion that the materials plus low cost labor would let them just send a new model. 420J is used on these imported Wal Mart specials for good reason.
For the record, I think people should have to pay something for broken tips, plus shipping, 420HC or othersise, else, they'll keep breaking tips. JMO and Buck has a different opinion. It works well for them but their layoffs in recent years have not gone unnoticed by me.
We had a thread a year or two ago that said Buck should use supersteels on their custom multi hundred dollar knives. The author of the thread pretty well looked down on them for using 420HC. Not me. I want them to use whatever keeps them in biz that is a decent working knife steel.
I never will forget something Thomas W of Kershaw one time said in this forum. I think it was him, if not it was some other employee of Kershaw. I'll paraphrase from memory "You have no idea how many knives get sent in to major knifemakers for broken tip repair". I took it that it was a lot.
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Some one please educate me. What is the facination with plain old carbon steel? Not to seem ignorant, but I have a bunch of Case, etc, with carbon blades and they are a pain in the rear. I don't want or like a blade that discolors like that.
I for one am glad that Buck doesn't use it.The steel in the 300 series that I have take a great edge, keep it and still look halfway decent forever.
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Plumb,
1095 Carbon, was the common steel of the old German slipjoints, the early Schrades, Old Timers and a host of other early 19th century folders. Sort of your Grandfathers knife steel. The knives of your childhood.
Like an old in-line 6 cyl, 2 barrel carb it was the steel that got the job done in the past.
Also like old Artwork, the coloration or discoloration depending on your outlook, gives the look pre-SS. There are two schools on 'patina', natural useage over time color or owner made color using various foods and natural substances to make different shades of gray. This color is then maintained with oil finish. Usually mineral oil if you cut lots of lunch fruit. Some of the man-made ones I have seen can be quite the little piece of abstract artwork.
How do I know some of this being a 300 person, in confines of my own closet I am a casual TL-29 person, which are almost 99.9% carbon bladed. Old Cami. and Schrades. Even a Case.
This next point I am not 'the' expert on, maybe David M., Knarfeng or Zerogee will explain. But I have read that 1095 will come to a very sharp edge. By experience my flat ground TL-29 blades seem more razor like than my 300s but the difference to me can't really be noticed to much degree, when I use my slicing typewrite paper edge test. I have to be careful here as the TLs have thin blades. Maybe 303 or 309 thickness.
Thats what I know about it Dave. I ususally live with the patina the old WW2 TL-29s have. I am glad my 300s don't require 'coloring'.
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1095 Carbon, was the common steel of the old German slipjoints, the early Schrades, Old Timers and a host of other early 19th century folders. Sort of your Grandfathers knife steel. The knives of your childhood.
Like an old in-line 6 cyl, 2 barrel carb it was the steel that got the job done in the past.
Also like old Artwork, the coloration or discoloration depending on your outlook, gives the look pre-SS. There are two schools on 'patina', natural useage over time color or owner made color using various foods and natural substances to make different shades of gray. This color is then maintained with oil finish. Usually mineral oil if you cut lots of lunch fruit. Some of the man-made ones I have seen can be quite the little piece of abstract artwork.
How do I know some of this being a 300 person, in confines of my own closet I am a casual TL-29 person, which are almost 99.9% carbon bladed. Old Cami. and Schrades. Even a Case.
This next point I am not 'the' expert on, maybe David M., Knarfeng or Zerogee will explain. But I have read that 1095 will come to a very sharp edge. By experience my flat ground TL-29 blades seem more razor like than my 300s but the difference to me can't really be noticed to much degree, when I use my slicing typewrite paper edge test. I have to be careful here as the TLs have thin blades. Maybe 303 or 309 thickness.
Thats what I know about it Dave. I ususally live with the patina the old WW2 TL-29s have. I am glad my 300s don't require 'coloring'.
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Some one please educate me. What is the facination with plain old carbon steel? Not to seem ignorant, but I have a bunch of Case, etc, with carbon blades and they are a pain in the rear. I don't want or like a blade that discolors like that.
Typically, carbon steels will sharpen easier and to a sharper edge than stainless steels, and will hold the edge better.
Also, some people like the "patina" carbon steel blades get with usage.
The downside IMHO, is the potential for rust or corrosion. Too often nice old knives with carbon blades have those dreaded "pits" in the steel
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Typically, carbon steels will sharpen easier and to a sharper edge than stainless steels, and will hold the edge better.
The downside IMHO, is the potential for rust or corrosion. Too often nice old knives with carbon blades have those dreaded "pits" in the steel
Peter
As much as I would like to see a Buck with carbon steel, it'll never happen. Rust, corrosion and "pits" don't mix with lifetime no questions asked warranty.
I personally have not found Buck's 420HC lacking. I think it's possible some simply fall in love with the name of an exotic steel and imagine it has magical properties. As for the enthusiasm for carbon steel, I just don't get it. I bought an Ulster 58OT so I could see for myself and I found no advantage to this steel. I don't notice that it cuts any better than my Buck 303, and I have to maintain it so the blade won't discolor. (patinas are ugly stains to my eye, not a "character" mark) I don't want Buck to wind up like Schrade & Camillus so I'd prefer they don't try to be the end-all-be-all for everyone. In my opinion that's what Schrade did.
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Like I said, I have lots of knives made with the carbons steel blades, but none get enough use to see how the edges hold up.
One thing that has occured to me is the condition of the old pocket knives (carbon steel) of my Dad and Granddads. Neither of them seemed to keep a knife for extended periods of time, but the blades on the ones I have that were theirs all seem to be just about sharpened away. That leads me to believe that they had to sharpen them so often to keep them sharp that the blades just got used up in fairly short order.
Count me as another who doesn't find the "patina" attractive and those that force patina remind me of some of the wanna be bikers from years ago. They would take their brand new cutoffs, scuff them around in the dirt and oil on the garage floor, pee on them and do whatever else they could think of to make them look like they were not new.
One thing that has occured to me is the condition of the old pocket knives (carbon steel) of my Dad and Granddads. Neither of them seemed to keep a knife for extended periods of time, but the blades on the ones I have that were theirs all seem to be just about sharpened away. That leads me to believe that they had to sharpen them so often to keep them sharp that the blades just got used up in fairly short order.
Count me as another who doesn't find the "patina" attractive and those that force patina remind me of some of the wanna be bikers from years ago. They would take their brand new cutoffs, scuff them around in the dirt and oil on the garage floor, pee on them and do whatever else they could think of to make them look like they were not new.