Steps Taken by CRK for Exporting to Canada or other Countries

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CRKDMike

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I am curious how CRK is able to successfully deliver their products to locations across canada, without the CBSA seizing them.

I recently imported a Sebenza from a BF user in the USA, and apparently a CBSA officer was able to open it via centrifugal force (which I was not able to do on ANY Sebenza I have owned). Although CRK products are readily available across Canada, importing knives that open via gravity or centrifugal force is illegal :confused::(:confused::mad::barf:.

Since tightening the pivot will not prevent this problem, what does CRK do to the knives when they ship across the border to stores??

Lastly, please don't hijack this thread or turn it into a political debate over Government, like every other thread that touches on this topic ;)
 
Did the authorities seize your CRK? I'll bet if so, it's in his pocket!
 
They sure did. I had two Sebenzas in customs, one was released, and the other was seized. I'm curious how CRK avoids this when shipping to dealers in Canada, since the pivot doesn't change the ease of deployment of the blade...
 
I assume that the centrifugal test is initiated when it is folded. They then see if the blade will deploy at a given force. A new detent in new folders will need a higher force to release while a well used one will release with little centrifugal force.
Not sure I am right but it sure made sense to me. :)
 
Canada Customs, like Tolkien's wizards, are subtle and quick to anger.

I don't know what steps are taken by CRK. I imagine none, since their knives are Canada-legal and only misunderstandings will get them seized.

I can tell you one step I take: I let a retailer take the risk. I buy from a retailer that ships from Canada, such as TNK.
 
BenChiew said:
I assume that the centrifugal test is initiated when it is folded. They then see if the blade will deploy at a given force. A new detent in new folders will need a higher force to release while a well used one will release with little centrifugal force.
Not sure I am right but it sure made sense to me. :)
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Makes sense yes, but the Sebenza is New In Box. Also I am not questioning WHY this has happened to me. I am curious what CRK does in order to avoid this issue

Dangerously said:
Canada Customs, like Tolkien's wizards, are subtle and quick to anger.

I don't know what steps are taken by CRK. I imagine none, since their knives are Canada-legal and only misunderstandings will get them seized.

I can tell you one step I take: I let a retailer take the risk. I buy from a retailer that ships from Canada, such as TNK.
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I know that most retailers here in Canada go through some kind of preventative procedure to avoid extra shipping costs and headache associated with CBSA seizures, even though the knives are perfectly legal. For example asking manufacturers to tighten the pivot extra tight. However, that is not possible with a Sebenza. True, I should buy locally, but sometimes I can't refuse a deal...
 
Can you take them a part and send them over or at least remove the bushing and try to snug it up enough?
 
Hey friend! the Sebenza I bought off you arrived safe and sound :), another one I bought recently has not arrived safe and sound.

I have heard that taking them apart is best, but there are two things bothering me about that. 1) I can't bother the seller to do something like that, as they will likely just refuse to sell to me. 2) I know that CRK doesn't do that with all of their shipments here, so they must be avoid it in some other way.....that is what I am looking to find out...
 
atony said:
Can you take them a part and send them over or at least remove the bushing and try to snug it up enough?
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+1 on taking them apart. It takes less than 1 minute to disassemble a Sebenza. I know I would do it for a fellow CRK friend.
 
Glad i saw this thread CRKDMike...i had been thinking about ordering a 21 from down south...but if there is even a possibility of it being seized i may just wait til i can buy from a Canadian dealer.... thanks.
 
416isToronto said:
Glad i saw this thread CRKDMike...i had been thinking about ordering a 21 from down south...but if there is even a possibility of it being seized i may just wait til i can buy from a Canadian dealer.... thanks.
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Yes sir. Use SRKnives.com (or go to their storefront in Woodbine Centre Mall), as I am not sure why one Sebenza made it, and the other has not.

amike5757575 said:
+1 on taking them apart. It takes less than 1 minute to disassemble a Sebenza. I know I would do it for a fellow CRK friend.
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You sir are a giving person by nature. Most American BF users can't be bothered to even sell outside of CONUS, nevermind take the time to carefully disassemble the knife first, and I don't blame them. It's just extra work that they wouldn't have to do if they stick to CONUS only, and I get that.

So other than disassembly, there must be something that CRK does to get their product safely to dealers here in Canada
 
CRKDMike said:
Yes sir. Use SRKnives.com (or go to their storefront in Woodbine Centre Mall), as I am not sure why one Sebenza made it, and the other has not.



You sir are a giving person by nature. Most American BF users can't be bothered to even sell outside of CONUS, nevermind take the time to carefully disassemble the knife first, and I don't blame them. It's just extra work that they wouldn't have to do if they stick to CONUS only, and I get that.

So other than disassembly, there must be something that CRK does to get their product safely to dealers here in Canada
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I think they just make knives that don't open with centrifugal force. I have never heard of someone being able to open a sebenza in this manner. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I think this is how they get their knives into Canada without issue. Sounds like you had bad luck. I have two and there is no way I could open either one with centrifugal force.
 
CRKDMike said:
Most American BF users can't be bothered to even sell outside of CONUS, nevermind take the time to carefully disassemble the knife first, and I don't blame them. It's just extra work that they wouldn't have to do if they stick to CONUS only, and I get that.
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Can't speak for everyone, but for me .... not being bothered doesn't play a role in why I might not choose to ship outside the US. What does play a role is exactly what happened to you. If I sell a knife, it is not just a quick sale .... it is the passing on of something that I value (or valued). I would be bothered to no end if it did not reach its destination because of a problem like yours. And, as for disassembling ... something I would never do, except for dealing with someone I know very well. I want there to be NO question as to the condition of the knife before sent and when received. Now, back to your original question ... your best bet is to contact CRK directly to see if they can let you know what they might do differently as a manufacturer ... than one of us might as a casual seller.
 
alwayscarryaknife said:
I think they just make knives that don't open with centrifugal force. I have never heard of someone being able to open a sebenza in this manner. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this. I think this is how they get their knives into Canada without issue. Sounds like you had bad luck. I have two and there is no way I could open either one with centrifugal force.
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I agree, I can't for the life of me make a Sebenza open in this fashion. They are not designed to flick open like that.

d.r.h. said:
Can't speak for everyone, but for me .... not being bothered doesn't play a role in why I might not choose to ship outside the US. What does play a role is exactly what happened to you. If I sell a knife, it is not just a quick sale .... it is the passing on of something that I value (or valued). I would be bothered to no end if it did not reach its destination because of a problem like yours. And, as for disassembling ... something I would never do, except for dealing with someone I know very well. I want there to be NO question as to the condition of the knife before sent and when received. Now, back to your original question ... your best bet is to contact CRK directly to see if they can let you know what they might do differently as a manufacturer ... than one of us might as a casual seller.
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yup, everyone is different. For some it's the whole customs thing, for others it is other (political/personal/financial/etc.) reasons. Either way, the question is what can one really do to a Sebenza to make it almost impossible to deploy TEMPORARILY. Other designs employ a tighter pivot, the Sebenza does not.

You might be right, CRK customer service could help me. I may pursue that, but if there are any dealers in this community, I would love to hear from them. Or anyone else who can answer from experience.
 
Just out of curiosity does Canadian Customs seize or send back these items? I've heard in Australia they do both depending on if a request is made to return to sender.
 
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