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has anyone trained with Steve Tarani or the Mande Muda Penka Silat - Suwanda family system
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thank you for the reply and wat style do u do and how many yrs ?
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im curious in the KunTao Silat de Thouars is there any Kamrambit knife training like in the Mande Muda Penka Silat system ?
Hey, being that I am pretty much aware of Mr. Kier's prowess of SE Asian styles, I am much more curious about what kind of grappling you are into? Also, since I know you did stick grappling videos for/with Sayoc crew, I was wondering if we're going to see any knife grappling stuff from you?
Hetman said:
I competed in Folk style, Free style and Greco matches for over 20 years and still coach. To supplement my training while competing I began to train in any grappling style I could find, from the time I was about 7 or 8. So over the years I have been able to play around with many Styles from Asia, SE Asia, Japan, BJJ, Judo, etc.
We will be releasing some Blade grappling DVD's. Although Blade grappling on the ground is very tricky as the receiver and not to be glossed over, it is very complicated. Also there are so many grapplers out there with no blade knowledge and thinking they can just wing it. And there are many Blade guys thinking the same thing. So there is a lot of misinformation. Anything someone shows you, should, after putting in some serious training time, be tested on someone outside the training group, who would be a model for the target opponent.
But, stand up grappling is easier to navigate from the receiver POV and transition to Feeder is easier.
So there are some basic rules, or things to know. As the receiver, receiver being the fighter ( reacting to his attack)
1. Try to stay standing if you don't yet control the blade, this allows better striking and tapping control over his blade. Better chance to get control while not getting shanked.
2. Understand Striking while tapping and which positions to fight for, and to strike from, so there is not the " I punch you, you stab me" exchange going on.
3. Understand Receiver Grips, Receiver Grips being hand placement which allow control over the blade and the hand holding the blade. Not just grabbing the wrist.
4. When on the ground in top position, you want cross side control with your knees opposite the blade side, so your body is mostly on the opposite side of the opponents body from the blade. In the scramble when this changes you should fight to get it back, while striking and striping. Classical BJJ Mount and Guard positions do not work as well, If you do not have the blade.
5. When on the ground in bottom position, you must use your receiver grips to control the blade and you need to start escaping right away, your knee escapes and hip sweeps will come in at this point. Also all the "return to sender" techniques need to be applied to begin to lessen the feeder pressure.
These are just some basic things to remember, and skill sets to develop. Like I said Blade grappling is a tough situation, if you don't control the blade.
If you DO control the blade, well your job is almost done, just keep and eye out for the second man in.
Tom Kier
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Thanx for such a generous reply!
I have been working intensively on researchng and developing counter knife program lately, and it just turned out that grappling has to be addressed. I found that most people are having problems when the conflict has already hit the grappling phase, and than in midst of action one side decides to pull the knife. I found out that most people never even notice the blade peing pulled, so I have concentrated on the awareness development. Although I have quite bit of FMA background, somehow my Systema training actually influenced the methodology the most, although there are influences from Tony Blauer's work as well.
Anyway, I also found out that when going through the scenario/drill where both sides are grappling FOR the knife (which is put just a little bit out of their reach), all of a sudden people become aware that in reality it is not all about pulling some great submission, i.e. the inherent playfulness of that type of fighting is quickly diminished, striking becomes much more obvious and frequent choice of tactics and so on... But still, it is most usaually the one who controls the position that controls the fight.
Gee, I guess I went on to start ranting, so I better stop. Thank you one more time for your input.
I have been working intensively on researchng and developing counter knife program lately, and it just turned out that grappling has to be addressed. I found that most people are having problems when the conflict has already hit the grappling phase, and than in midst of action one side decides to pull the knife. I found out that most people never even notice the blade peing pulled, so I have concentrated on the awareness development. Although I have quite bit of FMA background, somehow my Systema training actually influenced the methodology the most, although there are influences from Tony Blauer's work as well.
Anyway, I also found out that when going through the scenario/drill where both sides are grappling FOR the knife (which is put just a little bit out of their reach), all of a sudden people become aware that in reality it is not all about pulling some great submission, i.e. the inherent playfulness of that type of fighting is quickly diminished, striking becomes much more obvious and frequent choice of tactics and so on... But still, it is most usaually the one who controls the position that controls the fight.
Gee, I guess I went on to start ranting, so I better stop. Thank you one more time for your input.
If you are looking for some of our stuff reguarding Blade grappling, we address it, some what, in one of the Sayoc Sama Sama DVDs it might be 2004
Sayoc "Phase Two" tapping is a very solid formula to addressing the early stages of Blade grappling, the stand up clash and exchanges from there, flowing into takedowns and control posisitions to strike from, and begin to control the flow of the fight, while still empty handed. It is what we refer to as Transistion from receiver to feeder.
Good luck and stay alive
Tom Kier
Sayoc "Phase Two" tapping is a very solid formula to addressing the early stages of Blade grappling, the stand up clash and exchanges from there, flowing into takedowns and control posisitions to strike from, and begin to control the flow of the fight, while still empty handed. It is what we refer to as Transistion from receiver to feeder.
Good luck and stay alive
Tom Kier
Yeah, I've got that one and liked the format of it. Two people doing the demo while you are standing by the side commenting. I like it cause that way no flow is interupted, either the action or verbal explanation, unlike in many cases when the person who is doing the explanation also has do the physical part as well.
BTW, the "receiver grips" that you mentioned in your previous post...are those the ones covered on that portion of Sama-Sama DVD? Say, being that you Sayoc people have developed such an elaborate approach to teaching blade, along with equally elaborate terminology, have nyone of you ever tough of doing a book in a "vocabulary" format, i.e. illustrating the concepts in alphabetical order. Or any book at all? When I bought Mark Cody;s one with Ray Dionaldo, I was hoping for something else that what it turned out to be.
BTW, the "receiver grips" that you mentioned in your previous post...are those the ones covered on that portion of Sama-Sama DVD? Say, being that you Sayoc people have developed such an elaborate approach to teaching blade, along with equally elaborate terminology, have nyone of you ever tough of doing a book in a "vocabulary" format, i.e. illustrating the concepts in alphabetical order. Or any book at all? When I bought Mark Cody;s one with Ray Dionaldo, I was hoping for something else that what it turned out to be.