Still looking for a sharpening system

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I have tried the DMT stones and freehand sharpening did ok but not hair popping sharp, tried the KME system not impressed with the clamping system but got decent results. Tried the Edgepro system got good results but had trouble keeping the blade flat on the table and really didn't care for taping up blades so they don't get scratched. I am interested in the Tech studio system but they need a presence in the USA for returns, warranty items and purchasing optional equipment. Not sure where to go from here any ideas on a easy to use system for hair shaving sharpness results? Sharpening mostly folding knifes and a couple medium sizes fixed blades.
 
The sharpening block I make has helped a lot of people improve their freehand skills and it works well even if you already have some proficiency. Provides a lot of tactile feedback and "hardens up" wet/dry and lapping film, making them function with better precision.

Is linked through my signature below, and the site also has a bunch of video and PDF content that you might find helpful whatever you decide on.

Ultimately its a physical skill and with that skill you will get strong results on any type of stone or abrasive as long as its a good fit for the steel you are working on. How you develop that skill is through muscle memory and tactile feedback.
 
More practice with what you have.

The biggest beginner mistake is to not master one tool. Every sharpening tool has the same basic problem, the user doesn't spend enough time learning how to use it and resorts to blaming the tool or buying something "better". The knowledge of sharpening is greater than any sharpening tool, so learn what makes an edge sharp then learn to use the tools you have to produce sharp edges.
 
I find an angle guide helps a lot. I've used DMTs for20+ years now, mostly freehand. When the bevel needs to be re-set (due mostly to my sloppy sharpening:o), I clamp on an ancient BuckMaster guide. You can find several different makes through a search. I've never tried this but you can tape a coin to the back of the blade to create the angle you want.
 
What about a Work Sharp Ken Onion system?????
No clamps, no taping of blades, don't have to worry about keeping the blade flat. However, it does take some practice to use it correctly.
 
if he is having trouble with the stones, keeping correct steady angle this would be compounded and magnified using a power sharperner. everyone wants miracles and there are no miracles nor shortcuts to getting a good edge. it comes from practice and learning from mistakes.
 
I have tried the DMT stones and freehand sharpening did ok but not hair popping sharp, tried the KME system not impressed with the clamping system but got decent results. Tried the Edgepro system got good results but had trouble keeping the blade flat on the table and really didn't care for taping up blades so they don't get scratched. I am interested in the Tech studio system but they need a presence in the USA for returns, warranty items and purchasing optional equipment. Not sure where to go from here any ideas on a easy to use system for hair shaving sharpness results? Sharpening mostly folding knifes and a couple medium sizes fixed blades.

More practice with what you have.

The biggest beginner mistake is to not master one tool. Every sharpening tool has the same basic problem, the user doesn't spend enough time learning how to use it and resorts to blaming the tool or buying something "better". The knowledge of sharpening is greater than any sharpening tool, so learn what makes an edge sharp then learn to use the tools you have to produce sharp edges.

I'll 2nd this. If you "did ok" freehand sharpening... then stick with it... if you want to use a guided sharpener, same thing. Just about every decent 'system' has an issue(s) to overcome, so either pick one and learn how to overcome it, or, if you think you're capable, then stick with freehand.

I'll also say... guided systems may give you the best in sharpness (in most cases), but just because you can't get a knife "as sharp" freehand, doesn't mean that it isn't "sharp enough" to work, and as your practice and skill grows, the edges will get better.

I was once in the camp of trying to get the absolute sharpest blade, and I've used probably every decent guided sharpener out there, (still do occasionally), and while they may have given me some of my sharpest edges ever, none have given me the satisfaction of getting a knife decently sharp freehand... and the more I do it, the better they get. But if you want to use a system, you've already had some of the better ones, so pick what you liked best, and figure out the details to make it work for you.

If none really worked, Wicked Edge is about the only one left that's different than what you've already tried... if a "powered system" is on your Radar, the K.O. WorkSharp with the 'Blade Grinding Attachment' is a great setup, and gives great results without the usual limitations of a guided system, (and while some say a powered system isn't good to learn on or use, variable speed makes it a great device... overcoming the big issues of overheating and/or overgrinding a blade).

if he is having trouble with the stones, keeping correct steady angle this would be compounded and magnified using a power sharperner. everyone wants miracles and there are no miracles nor shortcuts to getting a good edge. it comes from practice and learning from mistakes.

Personally, I've actually found it's easier to hold an angle just moving a knife across a belt, than it is back and forth on a stone (maybe that's just me), but you're right, no matter what you use, you still need practice, and to figure out what makes a knife sharp.
 
If you like the idea of using your stones or a diamond plate and want repeatable edges, whether its shaving, chopping cleaving or anything in between take a look at the package we are offering. Its pretty inexpensive, performs exactly as stated and comes with a money back guarantee. edgeru.com
In the time it takes to set up most controlled systems, with the ERU the edge is already sharp.
I've sharpened blades with most systems and for the money the ERU system cannot be beat.

Regards, Fred
 
I chose the Edge Pro. You can jump on it and get sharp edges right away but those hair popping, tree topping edges take a while to develop. You have to learn to finesse the edge with combinations of grit, pressure, angle and lots of little things that come only with a lot of practice. Pick a method and stick with it. Seek out information everywhere and expect different "best ways" to do things. Eventually you will reach your goal. Know this...Those super edges, the ones that people brag about popping hair or whatever, they last about one or two swipes down a sheet of phone book paper then they are gone.
 
You have to learn to finesse the edge with combinations of grit, pressure, angle and lots of little things that come only with a lot of practice. Pick a method and stick with it. Seek out information everywhere and expect different "best ways" to do things. Eventually you will reach your goal. Know this...Those super edges, the ones that people brag about popping hair or whatever, they last about one or two swipes down a sheet of phone book paper then they are gone.

This is the key to sharpening, it matters not what technique is used. If the person using any given technique does not know how to both recognize the state of the edge as well as what to do at any specific time, they will not be successful. A great edge can be "reversed" by stropping with little pressure if done at the wrong time. I know, I've done it and so have "YOU"

Regards, Fred
 
In my mind, a sharpening tool where both the knife and the angle are fixed give you only one thing, a fixed angle - and the result can only be one = a flat surface. Tools like this work with the law of phycics.

The tool can be simple or advanced, the result will be the same - a flat surface. It cannot be anything else if you handle the tool correct.
Tools can be equipped with helpful things, they can be adjusted in veey small steps - or just by hand and eye, that make it simpler, or harder, to use the tool - it have nothing to do with the result.

If the tool can make also other types of edges with the same quality, and you have need for this, it is a good tool for you.

The sharpeners you use give you the wanted levell of sharpness. The finer sharpener - the higher levell of sharpness.

Sharpness have nothing to do with the sharpening tool - more then that a good tool give you the base = a flat surface, or a perfect true convex sphere of your choice.

The third thing is that you need experiance to handle the tool - and experiance to choose the sharpeners you need to get you to the levell of sharpness you like to have. In principle, this is simple. If you have use sandpaper on wood - you know to start course and then go finer and finer to get a good result. Shatpeners work in the same way on steel.
A good sharpening tool guide you to a good result if the tool are well designed for the user.

Then you need to check out that the sides of the edge meet eachother, and check out burr - that is Basic knowhow and understanding of what the tools do and what the sharpeners you use do.

The last thing, at least in my mind, is understanding of how edges works practical.

An edge shall only be as sharp as it need to be for it purpouse - and sharpeners must allways be balanced with the needed retention for the knifes purpouse.

In my mind, anyone can get a edge scarry sharp, that is the simplest thing you can do with an edge.

Sharpening knowhow is to balance sharpness with retention, if you do this correct you have sharp working knifes that can be used long time before they gets dull - and that is the most important thing for all knifes.

I do not understand why some people make their knifes shaving sharp. That is - in my eyes - to change the purpose of the knife, nothing more. If you have a good hunting knife and make it shaving sharp - you have got a new razor - and lost a good hunting knife... It must be much better to by a razor - and keep it sharp...

The same thing is razor sharp filé knifes for fish. Make it razor sharp and you can still filéa fish - but the filé will have boone in the meat. Balance the sharpness correct - and the edge slides on the bones without slicing them off - and yiur filé will be without bones.

Once again, a edge shall only be as sharp it need to be for its purpouse.
That is why knifes have different designs and different levell of sharpness...

I have wrote this sentence to describe what I have wrote above:

Two flat and smooth surfaces that meets in a low angle = sharp

"Flat" comes from sharpening tools, "smooth" comes from sharpeners, "meets" is controlled by you - and so is the "low angle" you have choosed.

Thomas
 
I have tried the DMT stones and freehand sharpening did ok but not hair popping sharp, tried the KME system not impressed with the clamping system but got decent results. Tried the Edgepro system got good results but had trouble keeping the blade flat on the table and really didn't care for taping up blades so they don't get scratched. I am interested in the Tech studio system but they need a presence in the USA for returns, warranty items and purchasing optional equipment. Not sure where to go from here any ideas on a easy to use system for hair shaving sharpness results? Sharpening mostly folding knifes and a couple medium sizes fixed blades.

Hey Bladegunner! Have you considered Hapstone Pro sharpener as an option? We have presense in the USA, and the sharpener is feature-rich. It is very easy to use, universal and highly adjustable. It has really unique features such as:
- it allows to use the collection of stones you already have, including bench stones, pocket stones, it is compatible with Apex stones mounted on blanks and without them, Spyderco stones (any stones from 4 to 8 inches);
- the sharpening angle from 0 up to 35 degrees;
- strong magnet holds the blade, so one hand is free (the magnet is detachable);
- guide can be used as a support or as a clamp if needed;
- all parts are made of metal

Couple of reviews here: MoreThanJustSurviving and HarleyWood23 YouTube
 
Hey Bladegunner! Have you considered Hapstone Pro sharpener as an option? We have presense in the USA, and the sharpener is feature-rich. It is very easy to use, universal and highly adjustable. It has really unique features such as:
- it allows to use the collection of stones you already have, including bench stones, pocket stones, it is compatible with Apex stones mounted on blanks and without them, Spyderco stones (any stones from 4 to 8 inches);
- the sharpening angle from 0 up to 35 degrees;
- strong magnet holds the blade, so one hand is free (the magnet is detachable);
- guide can be used as a support or as a clamp if needed;
- all parts are made of metal

Couple of reviews here: MoreThanJustSurviving and HarleyWood23 YouTube

Nice looking system thanks for the suggestion. I will do some research on it.
 
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