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Claus

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Hi Folks!

Who can tell me something about so called stock knives?

As a german collector of folders, I have found an american style knife similar to the Buck pocket knife #301.

Is this type of knifes really called "stock knife" with "stock" in the meaning of "cattle"? What means the unique design of the three blades? Clip, spey and sheepsfoot? What were they used for?

My knife is of Bertram cutlery, Solingen Germany. Does anybody know this brand?

What is the correct name for the "non stainless blade steel" in American? In German, we call it "Normalstahl".

Thank you in advance!

Claus
 
You're referring to what most would call a 'stockman' if it has a serpentine handle. Most would call a non-stainless steel 'carbon steel', and while it could also be a 'tool steel' it's not common at all in stockmans. I'm not familiar with Bertram (?) but some Eye Brand and others are on my long term list. I like stockmans a lot and currently carry a Schrade Slim Premium, which is like a skinny Old Timer stockman. I also received a Henckels muskrat for Christmas, another pattern that I like a lot.

I'll probably be going to Germany in a month and would appreciate any suggestions on where to look for carbon steel pocket knives. I'm not as interested in 'fancy' as I am in solidly made, and I'm finding that older ones are fun to look for. Are there a lot of retail outlets in Solignen, or is it better to look in stores in the larger cities ? Thanks for any suggestions.
 
The clip blade is for all around cutting when you need a penetrating tip. The sheepsfoot is for cutting when you just need an edge, whittling and so forth. The spey blade is for castrating animals, so you probably want to avoid coring an apple with it. This is a traditional pattern for people working on a farm or ranch, where you would have livestock.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
Thats it, stock knives are designed for people with livestock. The multiple blades and easy carry make it great for the what we use it for.Most ofthem look very non threatening so your able to carry them wherever you go regardless of sheeple. I used to carry one all the time, now I carry a multi tool and a delica. I like locking blades a little better, and I like the size of my delica better. But there are some really nice stock knives out there. I still see them quite a bit when I go to horse shows and stuff. Alot of people are changing over to lockbacks, but if they don't have one its usually a stockman or a trapper pattern instead. Stock knives make great skinners too. They give you a clip blade for utility, sheepsfoot blade for opening cuts, and a spey blade used for pushing the hide away. A stock knife is all my dad would carry until I made him a trapper. Not only did he like having different blade shapes and sizes, it was nice to have multiple blades. He uses them really hard so its nice to have more than 1 blade to use for when they get dull.

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Thats it, stock knives are designed for people with livestock. The multiple blades and easy carry make it great for the what we use it for.Most ofthem look very non threatening so your able to carry them wherever you go regardless of sheeple. I used to carry one all the time, now I carry a multi tool and a delica. I like locking blades a little better, and I like the size of my delica better. But there are some really nice stock knives out there. I still see them quite a bit when I go to horse shows and stuff. Alot of people are changing over to lockbacks, but if they don't have one its usually a stockman or a trapper pattern instead. Stock knives make great skinners too. They give you a clip blade for utility, sheepsfoot blade for opening cuts, and a spey blade used for pushing the hide away. A stock knife is all my dad would carry until I made him a trapper. Not only did he like having different blade shapes and sizes, it was nice to have multiple blades. He uses them really hard so its nice to have more than 1 blade to use for when they get dull.

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Fix it right the first time, use Baling Wire !
 
I've been carrying a Stockman for years but the last livestock I had around here were Siberian hamsters.
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But seriously folks...having grown up on a farm with lots of livestock, it was the knife that every farmer carried. Castrating, though, was done with a newly honed small butcher knife. For bulls, it was a great big set of pincers.

The usual rule was that kids carried Barlows and adults carried the Stockman. And of course all rules were meant to be broken. One of my uncle's always carried a Case trapper.

Eventually, everyone began carrying Buck 110s strapped to their belt. Mostly the younger set. It wasn't grandpa's knife. Less versatile on the farm but made you look tough in the bars. A no-nonsense workhorse, though.

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Hoodoo

No, I do not weep at the world--I am too busy sharpening my oyster knife.
Zora Neale Hurston

Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
Lao Tsu
 
Hello Matt,

thank you for your fine answer. That was I wanted to know. But now I have some more questions, referring to your text:

What is a "delica"? And what is "trapper pattern" looking like? Is there a website where I can see one?

What means "pushing the hide away"? I didn´t find that in my dictionary and the word-to-word-translation makes no sence.

And even your tip with Baling Wire is surely godd, but what is this sort of wire?

(I´m sorry, but I´m german)

Thanks,

Claus


Originally posted by Matt Shade:
Thats it, stock knives are designed for people with livestock. The multiple blades and easy carry make it great for the what we use it for.Most ofthem look very non threatening so your able to carry them wherever you go regardless of sheeple. I used to carry one all the time, now I carry a multi tool and a delica. I like locking blades a little better, and I like the size of my delica better. But there are some really nice stock knives out there. I still see them quite a bit when I go to horse shows and stuff. Alot of people are changing over to lockbacks, but if they don't have one its usually a stockman or a trapper pattern instead. Stock knives make great skinners too. They give you a clip blade for utility, sheepsfoot blade for opening cuts, and a spey blade used for pushing the hide away. A stock knife is all my dad would carry until I made him a trapper. Not only did he like having different blade shapes and sizes, it was nice to have multiple blades. He uses them really hard so its nice to have more than 1 blade to use for when they get dull.
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Claus
A Trapper pattern is a large two bladed pocketknife. The blades consist of a clip point and a spey shaped blade which is the same length as the master blade.A Delica is a SpyderCo pattern small single blade.Look right here on the links section and you will find pictures of these knives.
Bob
 
A trapper knife has a handle of the same basic shape that your stockknife has. Except it only has 2 blades a clip and a spey and both pivot at the same end, and they are about the same length.
To see a delica go to www.spyderco.com . They have a lot of other knives you can see there also. They are under spyderco products I think. Knives of that style are very popular among people with horses now because they can be carried in your back pocket so they don't bother you while your sitting in the saddle. The half serrated edge is great for cutting rope to. And they can be opened and put away much faster than a stock knife. The stock knife remains popular though for its versatility.
Baling wire is what we use to hold bales of hay together. Its a semi soft wire that comes in rolls about 1000 feet long that unspool easily. You put them in a machine called a baler that rakes up the grass or alfalfa thats already been cut and dried in the sun. It compresses the grass tightly into a rectangle or box shape and wraps 2 peices of baling wire around it, then twists the wire in knots and cuts it off.It really isn't the proper way to fix anything, but rednecks like me think its great for holding things together. Hope that answers your question. Sorry if I confused you, I spend most of my time either in a barn or a hay field and a lot of people who do speak english have trouble understanding me too
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sorry, forgot your question on pushing away the hide. When you skin an animal your goal is to get the fur off of the body in one peice and not leave hair all over the meat. Some animals are harder to skin than others and you can use the round cutting edge of the spey blade to seperate the skin and the meat. You just use it to scrape the meat and fat away from the skin.Some people leave the very end of the spey blade more dull than the other blades so that they won't cut up the skin and ruin it when they try and use it that way.Hope that answers it.

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Fix it right the first time, use Baling Wire !
 
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