Stockman by the Bay

I am going to part with the crowd here and say that IMHO, that is an authentic Schrade but not an original 1950's era bone handle version...to me it appears that the blades are later Schrade Walden era blades and the frame/handles are newer bone similar to what was made during the 70's and 80's for some commemorative knives. My guess is that its a "put together"...maybe with parts that came from the factory sale. I say this mainly because I have at least 4 of that same knife that are originals from the late 40's to early 50's and that knife looks totally different in terms of bone jigging, bone coloring, blade grinds, pulls, etc. Again JMHO.
 
Yours is an interesting point one which I have heard over the years however. I believe you to be in error. First of all The seller of this knife has been posting quite a few knives from the schrade collection I believe this knife is from one of the panels I believe that, since I saw the panels many times. Now if the collection would not have been cannabalized all that would be needed was to see these knives duly labeled and it would have proven that this style and material is totally indicative of the 56 through 59 Schrade Walden (ULSTER Ellenville made knives ). As you know they did not produce jigged bone again until the 70 tys. You are correct that they are quite similar looking however I believe your logic is backward in that the later 70 tys models were made to look like the early ones not vice a versa. To begin with the Schrade Walden tang was not reintroduced until the late 90tys. There 70 ty jigged versions were under other tangs and usually special releases.

As far as jigging they used more variations than you might imagine and many were from old patterns also some were from patterns adopted after the Walden move. While your late 40tys and early 50tys would look somewhat different this is absolutely correct for the later 50tys knives. it is also what the later 70 and 80 ect special editions were modeled after. As far as color that varied more than most collectors realize as well.

Now assuming that everything I have said is totally incorrect my question is who would have taken and destroyed a knife from the late l990tys ( until 2004 ) to get the handles and then the blades from a 1970tys edition ( which had the wrong tang stamping some how restamp or get blades from the 50tys and then put this into one knife which now would be passed off as a late 50tys Schrade Walden when the remakes ( parts ect ) were marked Schrade Walden already since they were remakes. Or was the plan just to get the jigged handles off a 70 or 80tys piece to put on a 2004 reissued Schrade Walden . That would mean destroying two 75 dollar knives to make one worth 150 dollars that is after a lot of time and effort. Or did they just have these parts and nothing to do. Now that I think about I guess the best way would have been to take the bone handles from special issues and use them on pre 72 delrin versions of Schrade Waldens the only problem with that is that in the 70tys there wasent that much difference in value so you would have had to stash the parts for 20 or 30 years to make it worthwhile.

I also enjoy when someone informs me that the older Schrade waldens ( made in Walden ) are much more rare . That seems a bit illogical since Schrade Waldens ( made in Walden ) were made for 10 years 46 through 56 approx. While the jigged bone Schrade Waldens ( made in Ellenville ) were only made for 3 years approx until the old bone material ( which was jigged in Ellenville but came from old Walden stock ran out ). The jigged bone and pearl knives were the top of the line so ( because of the thinking of the time that stainless and plastic would be the wave of the future ) Schrade in Ellenville used there top material ie stainless. As I said before years later these knives were emulated for the special issues. Then 20 years later blade marking for Schrade Walden were reintroduced. Then apparently some one married them to make a knife that was the same as the ones made from 56 till 59. ????????

Now as far as color jigging ect I am attaching a couple of pics to show some of the variations in jigging and coloration ( Most of these are 56 through 59 Schrade Waldens. ) Some are the older versions. I have had some of these for 30 or 40 or more years so if someone is counterfeiting these they have been at it a while .

Yours is not an uncommon reaction since most collectors see the older Schrade Waldens ( made in Walden ) then upon seeing the Ulster style and knowing the later releases draw similar conclusions. Again the later issues were modeled after the 56 through 59 versions which having been made for so short a period are much more rare. Also again this information was quite well noted as you looked at the knives in the Schrade collection. At a show when someone ( a collector ) comes up and says this knife is a fake. It is impossible to explain all this so they just walk away thinking how clever they are.

I offer this explanation and in no way am I impinging your right to your opinion. However I reiterate my conclusion the knife in question is a genuine Schrade Walden made between 1956 and 1959 possibly 1960 . In Ellenville NY. LT PS Hey Larry there is your 8-OT in smoothbone right there next to those smoothbone 2-OT models and the rare 2-OT in jigged bone. ( pic on left , right corner.)
 

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LT et.al. Many thanks for your opinions, arguments, etc. I wish it were not cleaned also, but I will bid something nonetheless!
 
I can add nothing to what Rich has said other than this ebay seller is the real deal, and has been selling these fine examples of Schrade history for a while now. Sad as it is that the collection was broken up, it does allow us to have a chance of owning a little of this history. Some of these knives are one-of-a-kind examples, and the condition of them is what makes them so IMO.

Glenn
 
Many of the knives which were on the boards ( in the collection) were cleaned and then put on, this further enhances my point in that if this were made up it would have been totally new. I know the man who cleaned and created the Schrade display this was done because the display was put together many years after these were made and due to rarity often had to use used examples. In some cases I sold them some of the pieces in the collection ( example 13 colonies ) since they had not saved one for this display which was done many years later. LT PS As you can see I have a few of the bone versions from this period. Therefore I will not be bidding on this knife however I do feel that it will bring a fairly large price. PPS My own opinion is that a used knife is nicer if professionally cleaned. Many of the examples in the pics are NEW old stock actually the rarity of these is such that it even further convinces uninformed buyers that there incorrect conclusion regarding there validity is correct.
 
Hey Rich,
Saw them all :-) Love those picts of yours.
Wish we had a drool smiley.
TTYL
Larry
 
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