Stoner CNC - Waterjet Work (Service Offered)

StonerCNC

Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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Waterjet work is another service we offer.

A brief explanation of how it works is as follows. Water is treated so that is very pure and cold. It’s pure to the point it would probably give you a head ache if you drank it. It’s also cold so the water is not boiling inside the pump.

Our machine has a 30 hp electric motor that is connected to a high pressure water pump. The machine flows less than 1 gallon on water per minute but at 50,000 psi. Once it comes out of the nozzle the water is moving at approximately twice the speed of sound. A special sand known as garnet is introduced at the top side of the nozzle and the sand does all the cutting. The water is just the medium to transport sand.

Waterjets are useful because they will cut any steel a knife maker will encounter and cut nearly all materials. There are about 8 materials in the world they can’t cut, a bunch of materials you don’t want to get wet such as cardboard or plywood. There are also some materials that are too brittle like tempered glass. Sometimes there is a work around for sensitive materials but for the knife maker this is purely academic.

Our machine is sized correctly for knife makers and will accommodate a piece of steel 24”X48” and a little bigger if I disable the soft limits. There are bigger and more powerful machines out there with 200+ hp pumps and 90,000 psi but they are used for cutting very thick materials and you will actually end up with a more expensive knife blank. We do have a tilting head for taper control but from my experience on thin material (under 1” thick) it actually makes a worse part that cost more. So for the knife maker this is always disabled.

We cut a ton of steel with ours…. We also cut a ton of G10 and Micarta with some different settings and restrictions.

The main reason to use waterjet is to avoid a heat affected zone on expensive steels. On some high chromium steels; lasers can have trouble because the steel is very reflective. The waterjet simply does not care what the steel is. It only cares about the thickness.
 
Waterjets have 5 primary settings.

1 = Rough Cut
2 = Medium Rough Cut
3 = Standard Machining
4 = High Quality Finish
5 = Very High Quality Finish

Typically, I’ll run a Q3 for the profile and a Q5 for holes, jimping and sharpening choils. That makes finishing the knife a lot easier. The high quality finish does not really add anything to the cost because these features tend to be small.

I’m typically going to oversize the blade around .020-.025 and undersize the holes -.010”. This pretty much dummy proofs everything for nozzle wear, taper and any warp in the material. A new nozzle has a .030” water stream and its tight like a laser beam. As the nozzle wears the diameter increases and stream opens up like a flashlight beam. So if the tolerances are set really tight and the nozzle is worn the holes end up oversized and the profile ends up undersized. Which leaves everyone scratching their head but since we are cutting internal and external features this is what happens.

There are some restrictions with waterjet cutting I should cover.

1 – Full size sheets only…. It’s not really profitable to cut small 2X12 strips
2 – Even though the nozzle is .030” you should have a minimum hole size of .060”. This number goes up as the thickness goes up.
3 – You buy the steel…. There’s too many thickness and grades for us to stock.

We use the industry leading software for nesting. Nesting is basically just laying out a bunch of knifes or parts on a sheet of steel. The idea is to get as many parts as possible on every sheet. 10 years ago I could do a better job manually programming this. Today that is no longer the case. The software is pretty cool in that it can mix and match parts. If you need 10 big knifes, 20 medium knifes and 40 small ones, it’ll do that. The part only need to be correctly programmed one time and software will do all the programming correctly the next time. It will handle product changes too which is huge. If the knife has a small change, we just update that file. If the sheet varies from batch to batch, we just update the sheet size.

The nesting software can also handle grain restraints. Most waterjet and laser shops pay no attention to this and don’t know there is a correct way and an incorrect way. When the steel is rolled it’s going to have stress lines. If that stress line falls on the cutting edge you can either get a small chip or a really big one. So the on the waterjet the blade should be long way on the steel. If the sheet is 14” X 48” … the blades need to point left to right along the side that is 48”.
 
Waterjets are fairly common machines so chances are someone local to you has one.

I think what you find is they can do the work but:
  • They don’t have reverse engineering equipment
  • They don’t have surface grinding capabilities
  • They don’t have have nesting software
  • They have cut knifes before but primarily cut other parts.
  • They have never 3D modeled a knife, grips and/or kydex.
Shops that don’t specialize in knifes will pretty much cut any DXF you give them. Generally speaking, they will do an good job at this. However, if there is a technical mistake on the DXF (splines, non-tangent features, ect) they might not have enough 3D modeling experience to say “hey we should fix this small detail over here”.

What I find is when a blade goes in to production there are immediately few things to rework. Or if someone goes to model some grips it’s almost impossible to create a “clean” 3D model without reworking the DXF. While most waterjet shops have cut blades before they probably don’t know all the terminology and might miss some small details that pertain only to knifes. Usually there are a couple technical change to consider that have no bearing on the overall look and feel of the knife. And by fixing them early it sets the knife maker up for greater success down the road.

On the waterjet we are at $150 an hour. I’ve done some small blades out of thin material as low as $3.75 per blade, a lot of 3-5” blades for under $10 and some monster blades that are borderline a sword for around $30. There’s a ton of factors that affect pricing. The biggest one is material thickness; if the thickness doubles the price goes up more than double.

So the best I can say is if you have something that needs cut send a DXF for quote. Consider the cost of material as well as we tend to have very good nesting. If you don’t have a DXF we do offer reverse engineering to create the files you need. Quotes tend to be done within 24 hours and I’m happy to answer any questions you might have regarding Waterjet.
 
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