Strange Native on Ebay

Plus, the hole is very close to the spine and the choil looks weird, too.

Could it be a factory "second" that escaped into t he wild?
 
Also note, there is no tang stamp... don't think this one was ever meant to get out.

edit: blew it up to 2200 pixel, not even a light stamp.
 
The seller is out of Denver, CO. . .so it's very possible that he/she got it as a "factory second."

Alot of discrepancies with this knife (compared to a "real" Native). Could also be a "knock-off."
 
Actually, I thought that the original Native didn't have the swedge and that it was later added similarly to how the Dragonfly was remade after a year or so of production. Looks genuine to me.
Matt
 
HIs other auctions are of Spydies too. Probably an inside job. I know there are a bunch of folks there that sell seconds and rejects on the sly.
 
Originally posted by Jazzman
Actually, I thought that the original Native didn't have the swedge and that it was later added similarly to how the Dragonfly was remade after a year or so of production. Looks genuine to me.
Matt
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I doubt it's one of the originals since it is pictured with one of the new boxes (unless he made a switch). Also, did the original Native come with that clip style? Maybe so, I forget. But I do remember seeing an original Native and it did indeed have a stamp on the blade.

EDIT -- It also wouldn't be one of the originals because it has the Boye dent in the lock which the original didn't.

I would agree with others that say it's a factory second but that's just an educated guess. I doubt someone would go through that much trouble to make a counterfeit.

I would be curious to know the seller's answer for why the clip is mysteriously absent. He mentions in the description that it's not there but why?
 
There was some older ones with out the swedge.I was bidding on one a few months ago,it had no dent and did have a tang stamp.I don't think this is one of them but a nice one for a collection.
 
The original Native did have the bolt clip but certainly not the detent. I'm puzzled.
Matt
 
Looks like someone ground down a fair size chunk off the top of the blade, from about the second serration out from the handle forward. Shortened it by a about a quarter inch in the process. Then they ground the sides, or at least the side that shows in that picture, to get rid of the remainder of the swedge grind. Almost looks like they were trying to see if they could make it a full flat grind as they even removed metal below the hole. Notice how the line separating the ground part of the blade from the tang, just in front of the kick, extends all the way up to the hole, on a normal Native it ends about an eighth of and inch below it.
 
It looks like a re-grind. One of the other knives that this seller had looked like the tip had been broken off and someone had re-ground the tip to make it usable. If this is indeed a re-grind that would certainly knock the value down. The key to look at is the distance between the top of the Spyder-hole and the top of the blade. It could be a garage sale reject. I was at a show and someone had real CKRT Folding Kiss knives for under ten dolloars. It sounded like a good deal til I noticed that the tips had been broken off and someone had reshaped them. Not such a good deal. Regrinding knife blades is tough. I ruined the heat treat on a Delica once, (now a drone). Good luck to the buyer.

Spyderwa

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Now that you guys bring it up, I must agree: it does look like a regrind. I still wonder why there's no bladestamp though.

Originally posted by SCARFACE
I baught this was it a good buy
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Scarface,
I would suggest you inform the seller that despite winning the auction, you will not buy the knife from him as it was falsely advertised. Ask him why it was reground and how that could possibly qualify as "near mind."
No reason to pay $51 for a messed up, used Native, when you can get one NIB from www.newgraham.com for $52: http://www.newgraham.com/native.htm
 
It doesn't really look like a regrind to me.I looks more like someone at Spyderco redone a standard Native blade into a differant grind with more belly.
 
Whatever that "Native" is, it is about 1/8" shorter in the blade than the Spydie Natives of the pre-CPM440V period which leads me to wonder if it has been reprofiled, as others have suggested. But the top of the blade is so differently shaped from ANY Native that I have ever seen that I have to wonder if it is a Spyderco product at all. The Natives of my memory have all had a pronounced convex curve to the tops of their blades, while this thing has a flat top to it.

The other "Spyderco", the "Delica" looks as if it may well be an older Delica, one of those with the plastic clip that I hate so much. But the blade is about 1/8" shorter than it should be, which leads me again to the conclusion that it has been reprofiled. The reprofiling is such a good job that it may well have been, in fact probably was, done at Golden. But it is still a reprofiling job that is, perhaps, worth what the current bid is, $20.99, but certainly no more. As I like neither plastic clips nor serrated edges, I wouldn't give a plugged nickle for it, but that is just my personal taste and opinion.
 
Someone was selling factory reprofiled Spydies a while back for 16.99 buy it now.
 
I don't have any problem with selling a reground knife. I had a Golden reground Endura that was great. But it is very unethical to re-box a reground knife and sell it as near-mint. They may be fine as a user, but they are not factory fresh as the seller implies.

Spyderwa
 
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