Strider Knife info Request (not me)

Tell them to handle some of the Striders with G-10 handles if the want comfortable handles.

Jeff
 
I know when it comes to knives, everyone's got they're own philosophy, and I tend to agree with Strider's :) .
Now I may have a funny interpretation of the English language, but the moderator's following paragraph sounds funny to me:
"With all respect, I don't want one. Now Duane & Mick are great guys. I thought Duane was going to buy one of mine, but I think he went home and made himself one like it. He was looking at a CM4. That was before I had any CM5s finished."
 
I think its kinda cool how he rips on our stuff, then makes a blatant copy...
Hmm...

Mick




NeckKnife1.jpg
 
My, what an uncomfortable looking handle.
Looks like he's the one that saw something he liked and made one of his own.
cheers,
Derek
 
Taste is everything. It's what you prefer. It wasn't a personal attack, and I wasn't trying to distroy Strider's reputation, or sales. I don't think I could do it if I wanted too.

I started making knives for myself because of likes and, dislikes. To me handles are very important. If if doesn't feel good to me, it doesn't work for me. I like a handful of handle on large knives (4" blades and up).

Now as far as blade steel, some might think I copied Strider, or Strider copied me. It's just not so. ATS-34 is great stuff, and there's a lot of makers that have been useing it for years, and useing it in 1/4".

The neck knife wrap I copied from the samuri sword style. I used 550 cord because I already had it, for lanyards, and equipment ties for the sheaths. I was doing that 2 years before I heard of Strider. How else do you keep a small knife light and fairly slim? I did get the second hole idea from them. I'm starting to experiment with Marine Tex for handle material on small knives. I use to have several neck knife designs, but that one sells best, so I droped the others.

I'm sure you can look at any knife and say it's a copy of something else.
 
There are a few issues here: copying designs, utility, and conduct.

COPYING

It's very difficult to say which designs are copies of others. Most ideas are reactions to other ideas, the results of experience with other ideas. The design of user-knives is also constrained by thenotion of utiity. The ICC knife pictures above desn't, to me, seem much like the DB at all. There's an Emerson neck knife which looks exactly like the ICC, only it's black and has no cord wrap. Is that a copy? Even there, I think the design is simple and generic enough (not bad things) that I don't really consider copying a problem. regarding the DB, it's very different in that the lengthwise edge is angled and the finger cut-out is extended to become a unidirectional guard. As for the similarities, let's remember that Mr Strider did not invent neck knives,tanto-tips, finger cut-outs, or cord wrap.

Recently, I bought a Strider MSC/SLCC. I don't consider it a custom because I had nothing to do with it. I saw a picture of it a while ago, and I loved it, and it suited a need of mine prefectly. It was a little expensive for me, and a friend of mine said I'd be stupid to carry a fixed blade after 9/11 (I'm a swarthy male living in NYC and Phila.). So I thought I'd make my own, not wanting to spend that much on something I couldn't use regularly. I figured I could give myself 80% of the function if I made it in O-1 with a BC coating. So first, I made a copy of the SLCC in thick acetate. I wanted to know how the shape handled, and what I would change. As i turned out, not only could I find nothing I wanted to change, but I learned a lot about why the knife was shaped as it was. I loved the design even more. In addition to being a greatknife, it's art, as much as a Mapplethorpe photo printed by the man himself is. So, I bought one. It was really expensive, and I'm unemployed and living off credit cards, but I bought it anyway, because I wouldn't feel right copying something I hadn't paid for from someone to whom I'd given nothing.

Now, the SLCC is a lot like the Perrin Large La Griffe. Go to BladeArt and look. If I liked the La Griffe, but I hated finger holes, and I wanted a blade good for sabbing and getting anice wide wound channel, all in a blade for easy IWB carry, I'd have an SLCC. Do I think Fred Perrin is about to fire off angry email to Mick Strider? No.

There's a line on AT Barr's site along the lines of a mentor telling him that Mr Barr could copy anything in the mentor's shop except the mentor's name. That's cool. It's also realistic.

UTILITY

Whether a person wants cord wrap, flat G-10, or sculpted G-10 is a matter of preference and need. My preferences tend to align with Strider knives. If you're curious as to use, I used to work on cargo ships and film production sets. But, whatever. Regarding blisters: if you're man enough to need anything other than food knives or letter openers, you should have hands tough enough to use whatever, and smart enough to wear gloves if you need to. It's not like Striders have barbed spikes in their handles for really good attachment. So you go with what you like. If you're some kind of candya**ed armchait afficionado, go with what you think looks cool or is meaningful or will be a good investment. I don't understand armchair folks, though.

CONDUCT

Mr Phillips, you have made an awful lot of posts that essentially are attempts to divert people interested in Striders over to him. Your posts often read like the techniques of a Bible salesman. You can search on your own for these posts. As conduct goes, this is ugly. Your knives should be able to stand on their own merits, and frankly, I think they could: they look like fine knives for people with the requisite preferences. But it makes no sense to routinely bash Strider ergonomics when, as you noted, it's a matter of personal preference. And when you uses cord-wrap yourself when you think it's the best choice. As nice as your knives are, they don't suit my personal needs, and I really find your conduct as generall posted to be pretty gross, with the notable exception of you last very gentlemanly post. Sir, I really suggest you find a mode of salesmanship that better befits you.

Mr Strider, I have a lot of respect for your integrity. I've never seen you bash anyone or say anything unreasonable before. Your first post after 9/11, the one guarding against compounding the enemy through racism, and the post after it when you said "be kind," were two of the best things I've ever read. I really dislike name brand crap, but thse two post and the rest of what I know about you, along with your talents, make me happy to have your work at my hip. I know you speak your mind, and that's part of your integrity. However, this copying nonsense is grade-school crap that you threw out here and on the other board. I don't care if you tell folks to f*ck off - my mother's language would make you blush - but this is a case where desgn copying is, at best, not the point.

Thanks for reading. If anyone didn't care to read my personal feelings, why the f*ck did you? Also, I'm a little unhappy scolding people in public from behind a computer; if any of the gentlemen whose names I mentioned would care to email me, I'd be happy to emailyou my phone number. I have only a mobile phone, so as it'd be my dime either way, I'd be happy to call you at an appointed time at a provided number. I much prefer face to face, but you're all quite distant, unless anyone wants to provide airfare. This isn't in any way a provocation for a fight, but I tend to not back away from those, so if you want to kick my a**, send a ticket, and I'll put up a fight while you try. 'm sure everybody here could kick my ass. Whatever.

The above was just for completeness's sake; I don't think this is a big deal, and I don't think anybody else does, either. And excuse the typos; I'm lazy.
 
That is some Funny "ish" right there. Mick busted his ass hard. Just my thought.


Matt
 
Hell, i guess you could point out that most things are influenced by others...some influences are more subtle than others.
but that knife sure does look like a shorty BT.
I could care less. I buy and use what I like. and i like striders. that's what makes America great.
cheers,
Derek
 
I apologize for my post being taken wrong.
I truly don't care if anyone makes blades that look just like mine. Either personal or Strider stuff.
If a factory was doing it, it would bug me. But not a person.
My issue was simply one of honesty. Don't say you think something is lame, then make something VERY similar. Especially on top of saying someone copied you.
To me this had nothing to do with knives.
It had to do with character.
I have no issues with any one involved in this. I was finished when I made my posts.

Talk to you soon

Mick
 
Although I'm comfortable that my post didn't hurt or affect anyone's feelings, I apologize to Mssrs. Strider and Phillips and all readers for the excessive vitriol and name-calling in my post. I had just started a membership to send an email to Mr. Schlossberg regarding a problem I had with his general announcement. After emailing him, I went to the forums with my polite bulldog mojo risen. Also, I have kinda strong feelings about IP in general, and one of the things I like abou the knife industry is that one is often left to one's own private integrity as the only restriction on conduct, and the exchange of ideas is largely unrestricted, as it should be.

In any case, I fully expect for my issue with Mr Schlossberg to go without satisfactory resolution (it is, after all, his house) so I'll likely be deleting my posts in a few days when I cancel/abandon my membership as a result.

Again, folks, I'm sorry. Long-winded name-calling is uncool. And I want to stress that my last paragraph posted earlier above wasn't an indicator of further issues I had; it's just that it feels chickensh*t to shriek over a computer.

OK, maybe I have some shrieking-over-the-computer issues remaining.

Take care, stay safe, and if I can borrow: be kind.

Done.
 
Sunya... You're wrapped a little tight. Relax! Nobody's going to call you out and kick your ass!

Mick! You are THE BadMan! :D
 
Hi Mr. Combat Hunter-

I'm relaxed. It's just that in the real world, people have that option, and I like that accountability. If we're sitting in a bar and you don't like what I say, we can discuss it like gentlemen or we can go outside. I've never as an adult done the latter while sober, but still, the option exists. That's good. It's freaky to be online and have this barrier. I'm sure other people think of this, just as many people take advantage of it and say stuff they normally wouldn't. I just wanted to offer to put myself out there as much as I could while still guarding my anonymity on the greater internet.

I certainly did't think anyone would actually call me out, but it's only fair to offer.

But I realize that my spoken monotone carries over to my posts. There's actually not a lot I'd say I take all that seriously. This posting thing is very strange. There's no way to be present without saying anything (unless you count it as a stony or whipped silence, which also suck), and there's no way to say anything without publishing it and making it a big deal. And there's no way for you to be really called on your mistakes.

I guess I don't really understand how life translates to postings. I swear to God I'm as loose and as light as a giggling pixie (OK, maybe a little too far). Sorry for the lack of Strider content here.

I'm off to have a drink. Wish y'all were here.
 
Yes indeed, the guy who started that thread was me. Shrike, I was just trying to get info from other sources. There are a few guys who post over there that don't post here so I was collecting thoughts. Thanks for posting a link to Bladeforums. I doubt that you realized "that guy" was me. It shows that you were trying to help out a stranger, and that is very cool.

I'm glad Dennis and Mick have cleared things up. I'd like to think that the similarities between the knives they make are a result of makers using tried and true good ideas. Like Dennis said, ATS-34 has been a respected steel for a good while now, and 1/4" stock is nothing new. As long as credit is given where credit is due, I think things are cool. If you look at the knife in my avatar (thanks again Phil!) you'll notice a cord wrapped section. When I posted the pic of that knife in the Gallery forum, I thanked a good list of people. On that list was the Strider Guys. Looking at Strider knives a lot got ideas of corw wrapping in my head. I thanked them for that idea. Next year I'm going to make a tanto fighter that will be similar to the Strider WB. I'll be changing things around a bit, but the idea for this fighter comes from the WB model. Again, I will thank Strider Knvies for their influence. With knives there has to be a lot of respect given and taken by the players or else things will get ridiculous. The first knife I made from scratch was a dropped point hunter. Did I copy Loveless? Probably. but how old is the drop point? I bet older than Loveless! CLip points are much older than the Bowie knife. Cord wrapping is hundreds of years old! maybe older yet. That is why we need respect. I thank all of those who influenced the knives I make, even if they themselves can't see the influence! There is an interesting thread on the Benchmade forum about the Cold Steel lock being a copy of the axis lock. THe locks are functionally different, but Cold Steel still approached Benchmade and worked out some deal. That is cool.

If there is no respect in the knife industry, things would get pretty ridiculous. Heck, I might be the first guy to go patent the sharpened edge, steel as a knife material, all the point designs, and I'd trademark things like "sharpener", "edge", "knife", and so on! I'd make a killing!

O.k., that is ridiculous and only an ass would go do that. THe point is, pay respect where it is due and things work out. And, lighten up on the forums! And, thanks Shrike for being your brother's keeper, even when you didn't know his name.

Yours in knife nuttiness and with a love of many things Strider,

Crayola.

P.S., I still like my knives the best. They are much prettier! :)
 
Hmm... "Combat Hunter"... Not quite the translation I had in mind in making the name. I was thinking more along the lines of "struggle," rather than "combat" - in the spirit that a life spent in total ease is a life hardly lived. But at any rate, pretty good!

The longer you are here, and the more posts you read, the more evident the tone of many of these posts will be. It just takes some getting used to. And YES... There are those who grow great big balls here and say things they wouldn't dare say personally.

But for the most part it is harmless and we're all friends here. Hey, if you can't act like a dick in front of your friends, who can you? At least here you can apologise and folks will mutter and forgive your transgressions.
 
I've heard more and more on Sunya here and read a number of his posts. And I have to say that I found very little redeeming about this guy. It is unfortunate that people like him show up here from time to time.
 
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