Strider SnG CC, XM-18 or any other recommendation?

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Looking to get a new EDC, I'd say mainly a blade that will cover all needs, from life depending to daily activities, BUT I'm willing to sacrifice some degree of cutting ability if the blade performs better in tough conditions, haven't made up my mind what will it be...

so what'ya say? a XM-18 or a strider SnG CC or would you say maybe a custom at that price range? what will it be :p

tell me what would you choose (please, me no big fan of Sebenza).
 
Have you given the CRK Umnumzaan a thought?

Very tough construction and a genius use of a ceramic ball to eliminate lock-bar wear.

Plus, they run about $400 or a little under if you can find a deal. XM-18's are going to cost you 500+ on the secondary market, and the SNG CC runs about 450ish IIRC.
 
Possibly, but honestly I don't buy the designs of CRKs (don't kill me fans), I just am not that crazy about it.

thats also what's making me wonder, if I'm going to fork out in the $400 range, its possible to consider a custom.


Have you given the CRK Umnumzaan a thought?

Very tough construction and a genius use of a ceramic ball to eliminate lock-bar wear.

Plus, they run about $400 or a little under if you can find a deal. XM-18's are going to cost you 500+ on the secondary market, and the SNG CC runs about 450ish IIRC.
 
I owned a 3.5" Xm-18 for a while. It was an amazing knife, built like a tank but to very precise tolerances. The ergonomics really clicked for me and I love the design.

Now here comes the bad part: for 600 bucks, it was a lousy cutter. I took it on a 5 day backwoods hike and tried to perform simple camp chores like cutting food and making walking sticks. It was completely outshone in cutting performance by my 100 dollar Ritter Grip. The Ritter has a somewhat thinner blade and a flat grind compared to the XM's fatter, sabre-ground blade. The Ritter was simply a superior knife for this application.

I know the XM is very highly regarded and indeed, I still own and love my 3 inch model. However, be sure to consider exactly what it is you do or intend to do with your knife on a day to day basis. You say you need a tough folder but you are not clear in your post why. I'm not disputing that you do, but simply stating that maybe you don't need a knife as tough as you think. I certainly did not. Thinking back to my 3.5" XM, I'm sure my hand and/or arm would break or fail long before it would in certain tasks. Is it worth the extra weight and expense in that case? Maybe or maybe not. I was just drawn to it's robust design and bulletproof construction.

Now, I know you don't want to hear about Sebenzas, and that's totally fine. They cut really well with the hollow grind though and the RIL design is dead simple and works very well. Maybe a similar design like the Bradley or Buck TNT would work? I recently picked up a Galyean Pro Series JYD. That's another very fine design worth a look; titanium frame lock, thick 4mm blade and very utilitarian design. I really like mine and it is very solid. I have complete confidence it could last me a lifetime. I also hear very positive things about Hogue knives and Yuna knives. Nice, solid construction and designs, somewhere in the 400-600 dollar range.

Good luck with whatever you choose and be sure to post pics when you receive it! :P
 
Thanks Mike,

Maybe this sounds weird from someone someone with two blades on me right now and despite the case that most likely I will still be carrying more than 1 even after my next edc (its addiction, so cannot explain), BUT I like dependable folders which I know I can carry 24/7 and not worrying it not able to do some specific task.

I know the down side of those thick folders, not the best paper slicers out there for sure no doubt. Probably like most people, I wouldn't be needing a bomb proof folder, but I do enjoy knowing a solid, well constructed blade that will be able to get me through the day despite good or bad.

Again, I totally agree with you BM grips are way better cutter than a xm-18, but will I ever pound on a grip? maybe, maybe not... I can't be certain...not solely because of lock failure (i know, BM fans will say strongest lock ever), but There is also the chance that the blade might not stand up for the job for example pryying (not saying I will pry everyday, just saying IF that is my only tool on me, I want to know it will be able to do so without much challenge) Theoretical speaking, I can even argue yes it might finish this job, but what if this task is only a part of a course of challenges....? I am not woreshipping xm-18 again as I am more than sure many will out-perform it and I will not be making a walking stick in a glimpse, but 1 thing I want to feel is the capability to accomplish all tasks without much difficulties.

Do I love xm-18? yeah I do, am I a fanboy? not even close. Not excluding any blades including CRK since I have nothing against them, its just I don't have a strong feeling towards their design. I like what I like and do not want force myself in liking CRK just because its overrated with all the hype (in my opinion). What I'm trying to seek is 1) I am finding a blade that can do as much task as possible that at the same time ensures confidence 2) I also acknowledge both XM-18 and striders have their cons that is why I am searching for other alternatives and suggestions.

Still keeping an open mind here:p

I owned a 3.5" Xm-18 for a while. It was an amazing knife, built like a tank but to very precise tolerances. The ergonomics really clicked for me and I love the design.

Now here comes the bad part: for 600 bucks, it was a lousy cutter. I took it on a 5 day backwoods hike and tried to perform simple camp chores like cutting food and making walking sticks. It was completely outshone in cutting performance by my 100 dollar Ritter Grip. The Ritter has a somewhat thinner blade and a flat grind compared to the XM's fatter, sabre-ground blade. The Ritter was simply a superior knife for this application.

I know the XM is very highly regarded and indeed, I still own and love my 3 inch model. However, be sure to consider exactly what it is you do or intend to do with your knife on a day to day basis. You say you need a tough folder but you are not clear in your post why. I'm not disputing that you do, but simply stating that maybe you don't need a knife as tough as you think. I certainly did not. Thinking back to my 3.5" XM, I'm sure my hand and/or arm would break or fail long before it would in certain tasks. Is it worth the extra weight and expense in that case? Maybe or maybe not. I was just drawn to it's robust design and bulletproof construction.

Now, I know you don't want to hear about Sebenzas, and that's totally fine. They cut really well with the hollow grind though and the RIL design is dead simple and works very well. Maybe a similar design like the Bradley or Buck TNT would work? I recently picked up a Galyean Pro Series JYD. That's another very fine design worth a look; titanium frame lock, thick 4mm blade and very utilitarian design. I really like mine and it is very solid. I have complete confidence it could last me a lifetime. I also hear very positive things about Hogue knives and Yuna knives. Nice, solid construction and designs, somewhere in the 400-600 dollar range.

Good luck with whatever you choose and be sure to post pics when you receive it! :P
 
I very much agree that much has been said on the Sebenza. I would also say that much more will be said about the Sebenza. Is there a lot of hype surrounding it? Definitely.

In my opinion, that same could be said about the SNG and the XM-18. But that's beside the point.

Don't let anything that someone else says about a knife prevent you, or make you, buy a knife that you aren't completely sold on. If CRK's aesthetics don't do it for you, then that's completely acceptable in my opinion. Just don't let aesthetics get in the way of understanding what makes a knife useful.

If you already carry more than one knife, why don't you carry a dual set up? One knife that is optimized for slicing, and another knife optimized for prying. You seem so concerned with 'confidence' in your knife, so I would suggest looking into EDCing a fixed blade. The ESEE Izula is a great choice, relatively inexpensive, portable, and with their warranty you can use/abuse the knife as much as you want (prying included :) )

Myself I was planning on picking up an Atwood prybar of some sort, but bought a Gerber Shard to hold me over till I saved up for one. In about 6 months of carry I have yet to use the Shard for anything more than opening beer: at least for me, I don't realistically encounter anything in my daily life that requires me to pry anything. However, if I should encounter anything, I think that the Shard will be enough for any task smaller than prying apart riveted sheet metal.

So-Lo has a great video discussing the pros and cons of the Sebenza vs SNG vs Umnumzaan vs XM-18 debate. Take it with a grain of salt, as those are his own opinions; but I think that he is correct on the whole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2iqS6RxC9M
 
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It's hard to have a single knife that is the be all, end all for every need. I own a Strider SnG CC, an XM-18, and have owned a couple Umnumzaans. I can say that best EDC knife I've carried to date is a Spyderco Military. It has a huge blade, is razor sharp, has a FFG for slicing...Does about 99.9% of the tasks you need it to do. It will not be able to baton a garbage truck into pieces, but...well you get the idea. ;)
Save your $$$ and buy one in S30V and if you can find it, get a BG42 and a S90V.
 
:thumbup: can't agree with you more.

Haha, I admit I have comfort issues with my gear :D I need to be able to trust them.

Fixed blades? 1) most of them are not as nice as folder IMO 2) not an option where I live LOL

Not bad, I might consider a dual set! thanks for the suggestion.

btw just wondering, totally opinion-based question, how would you rate knife components and functions? (slice ability, blade thickness, ergo, etc)

I very much agree that much has been said on the Sebenza. I would also say that much more will be said about the Sebenza. Is there a lot of hype surrounding it? Definitely.

In my opinion, that same could be said about the SNG and the XM-18. But that's beside the point.

Don't let anything that someone else says about a knife prevent you, or make you, buy a knife that you aren't completely sold on. If CRK's aesthetics don't do it for you, then that's completely acceptable in my opinion. Just don't let aesthetics get in the way of understanding what makes a knife useful.

If you already carry more than one knife, why don't you carry a dual set up? One knife that is optimized for slicing, and another knife optimized for prying. You seem so concerned with 'confidence' in your knife, so I would suggest looking into EDCing a fixed blade. The ESEE Izula is a great choice, relatively inexpensive, portable, and with their warranty you can use/abuse the knife as much as you want (prying included :) )

So-Lo has a great video discussing the pros and cons of the Sebenza vs SNG vs Umnumzaan vs XM-18 debate. Take it with a grain of salt, as those are his own opinions; but I think that he is correct on the whole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2iqS6RxC9M
 
All the knives you mentioned are fine knives by any stretch but don't overlook some of the new collaborations due out in December. One that was designed by Rick Hinderer himself. I'd take a serious look at these knives if I had the wish list you do:

* Hogue EX01 in G-Mascus - 3.5" or 4"
* Zero Tolerance 0550/0551 - designed by Rick Hinderer - there is a lengthy thread right here on that awesome knife
* H.E.S.T Folder in D2 steel - this knife appears to be a great option too.
* Spyderco Military - I've owned a dozen different Millies over the years and they are fantastic knives
* Zero Tolerance 030X series - if you prefer manual try the 0200

I own both sizes of the Hogues which I can 100% recommend without hesitation and I've carried one or the other for several weeks straight now and I'm on the preorder list for the ZT 0550 and 0551 and the HEST folder as well.

Good luck
 
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btw just wondering, totally opinion-based question, how would you rate knife components and functions? (slice ability, blade thickness, ergo, etc)

In my experience so far, I've formed the following opinions:

1. All other things being the same, blade thickness is inversely proportional to slicing ability. The thinner the knife, the better it will perform as a slicer.

2. Having said that, toughness/durability is directly proportional to the thickness of blade. Ignoring the locking mechanism aporia, the thicker the blade the more force it will take before it breaks.

--My own opinion is that at a certain point, extra blade thickness is no longer practically useful in a folding knife. Sure, I can see the practical benefits for a thick blade on a knife purpose built for chopping; but I don't really think many of us knife addicts are out there chopping down trees with SNG's or XM-18's. For me, I do far more slicing than prying: therefore, I give slicing ability the priority when choosing my EDC's. That means that the knives I carry most often have 3mm thick FFG or hollow ground blades.

3. Ergos are so subjective I don't think I can say anything useful. My thumbs naturally bend backwards 90+ degrees (think extreme hitchhikers thumb) so knives that are ergonomic for many people are terrible for me. For example the ergos on the Sage 2, after being realistic with myself I have to admit that it feels just wrong in my hands. I guess I'd just recommend actually holding a knife before dropping ~$400.

4. For me, carriability is the primary attribute I look for in a knife. Does the knife carry well in my pocket? I've come to find that I don't like carrying heavy, bulky, knives. As a result, I find myself more concerned with what a knife is like closed rather than open. You should also be aware that rough handle materials like G-10 are going to shred your pockets (and your GF isn't going to be pleased when the expensive jeans she bought you get worn from actually wearing them :rolleyes:)

By being honest with yourself, you can really narrow down the attributes of what a 'good' knife will be for you. Personally, I like CRK's aesthetics, but the reason I usually EDC a Sebenza isn't because of the hype, nor is it because of the aesthetics. I looked primarily at what attributes I find useful and practical, then looked for knives that had those attributes.

Plus, it really helps when being a lefty automatically excludes a ton of knives from my list.

I hope this stupidly long post helps you out, lol. It's probably going to get a lot of tl;dr's.
 
Have you ever thought about a BM 950 rift? It has a reinforced tip that looks similar to the size of the xm-18 and a ffg blade that slices quite well from the factory, I am sure with slight touch up it can be an all star slicer. It feels very sturdy and tough in hand.It might be a downgrade in materials from what you thinking over (no titanium and lesser blade steel, 154cm) But while I had one, man did it perform. Made quick work out of prepping a pineapple.
 
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: to everyone!


RevDevil, Reeek - thx for your recommendations

mdc5162 - nah, I never see a knife as a downgrade based on their price tags

Cynic2701, somniloquist- cool, thanks for the insight:D
 
Out of all you have said.. I would go with the XM-18 for the toughness factor and the fact that it will blow away the Strider in Fit and finish> I have a XM-18 3.5" and it is a tough little mother and feels great in the hand. The Duratech CV20 gets sharp as sin and really holds it's edge very well... very very well. I slice paper with it just fine. It's just when it comes to cutting somthing that is deeper then the saber grind does it start losing it's cutting ability.

I also have a Sebenza.. and if I could have any knife to bet my life on it would still be the Regular BG-42 sebenza. I think it is also tough as nails and I think that Reeve's got it perfect with this one. Very tough and also an excellent slicer... exactly what a knife needs to be.

But bottom line.. I the XM-18 is a little tougher then the Sebenza.. though the sebenza is more then tough enough and my 1st pick. Here are some pics for you to let you decide..

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Note: I would not pry anything more then a coke tab with either of these knives.. matter of fact I won't even do that. If I need to pry I use a Fixed Blade Busse..
 
hm Incahiker,

I have to disagree with you there...despite I favor XM-18, but just basing on blade design & geometry IMO it just seems to me that sebenza have to be a better cutter say if u got both to the same sharpness.

Just my 2 cents
 
What??.. I said that the sebenza was the great cutter.. I never once said the Hinderer was a better cutter then the sebenza.. lol. But when slicing computer paper they both simply glide through the paper... there is no difference in cutting ability when cutting paper. I am doing it right now with both knives and they both cut paper with absolutely no resistance, no one can argue that with me, cause I am doing it.... right.. now.. lol and they both cut paper the same. Now if I am cutting a tomato, apple, or carrot then hell ya a Sebenza is going to out slice the hinderer... because the XM gets thick quick, I even said that in my first reply. There is no way that a XM is going to out slice a hinderer.. lol... again.. said it in the first reply with regards to the hinderer being thick.
 
foot in my mouth:foot:
my bad

What??.. I said that the sebenza was the great cutter.. I never once said the Hinderer was a better cutter then the sebenza.. lol. But when slicing computer paper they both simply glide through the paper... there is no difference in cutting ability when cutting paper. I am doing it right now with both knives and they both cut paper with absolutely no resistance, no one can argue that with me, cause I am doing it.... right.. now.. lol and they both cut paper the same. Now if I am cutting a tomato, apple, or carrot then hell ya a Sebenza is going to out slice the hinderer... because the XM gets thick quick, I even said that in my first reply. There is no way that a XM is going to out slice a hinderer.. lol... again.. said it in the first reply with regards to the hinderer being thick.
 
Don't worry about it.. I don't think I explained it clearly in my first reply. Any ways... I would highly recommend the hinderer... it is an excellent knife with great metal. No.. it will not come close as a sebenza to slicing up tomotoes or other veggies or even cardboard.. but it will do the job and it is tough. Feels excellent in the hands. And the fit and finish is awesome. Not too heavy either. Not as heavy as it looks.
 
:p
any comments on hinderer's washings comparing to phosphor-bronze ones?


Don't worry about it.. I don't think I explained it clearly in my first reply. Any ways... I would highly recommend the hinderer... it is an excellent knife with great metal. No.. it will not come close as a sebenza to slicing up tomotoes or other veggies or even cardboard.. but it will do the job and it is tough. Feels excellent in the hands. And the fit and finish is awesome. Not too heavy either. Not as heavy as it looks.
 
I edc an SNG and love everything about it and have no complaints. I've never owned any of the others so can't say one way or another. Also, the way I understand it Strider will fix just about anything that may break, however unlikely.
 
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