Strong Shoulder, Zero Step Down construction method

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As I am always trying to improve my knives, I have addressed what I see as the biggest structural weakness. I will be introducing at the Blade Show, my first knives with Strong Shoulder, Zero Step Down technology. The tang and ricasso are hardened and drawn to a spring temper. There are no pin holes, no notch, and no sudden step down in cross section. I believe it is the strongest design for a soldered guard knife.
Dan Farr

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Hi Dan, I agree that this is a very strong constuction technique ,I have been doing This construction method since the first knife I made.
 
Bill, I never noticed any 'outboard' shoulders on your knives and always assumed you had a small shoulder/step down where the ricasso meets the guard for the guard to rest against.

Dan
 
That is great, I am going to give one of these a try! Thanks
 
sabre said:
Bill, I never noticed any 'outboard' shoulders on your knives and always assumed you had a small shoulder/step down where the ricasso meets the guard for the guard to rest against.

Dan
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Yes Dan Mine are more like the bottom knife in your photo. The one with 400 on the tang.
 
Hey Bill! I was wondering about this - I've been looking for an example of your knives with the full thickness in front of the guard and you just answered it. The blade that you reference is NOT one of the "strong shoulder technology" knives that Dan is talking about - it's one of the 'standard' style stick tangs...
I'm not calling the integrity of your knives into question (in fact, you make some downright gorgeous knives!), just saying that Dan's new method is his way of overcoming the reduction in strength at the weakest part if the handle.
 
Matthew Gregory said:
just saying that Dan's new method is his way of overcoming the reduction in strength at the weakest part if the handle.
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Overcoming what exactly? Dan's new method certainly looks cool, and a lot stronger, but so? The bottom knife (the weak one) if properly heat treated would be nearly impossible to break. Maybe if you could bend a finished knife 90 degrees back and forth at this spot few dozen times. I'm saying properly heat treted the bottom knife would survive the worst a man could dish out, in any real life circumstance.
It does look pretty cool, Dan.
As Far as the integrity of Bill's knives, ask the trucker who cut his way out of the cab of his truck with one of Bill's knives, after the first knife he tried broke.
 
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looks nice but liek pointed out its a crosssectional thing at the point and for the most part the shape is that you are making the cut for the rear/front of the tange then removing a bit in front to bring out the "nubs "

the biggest thing is to not have sharp inside corners on the rear of the riscoso. thats the biggest stress riser. like i said i like the look and it slimms down the profile of your blades 320vs400 but with the tang cross section the same it all comes down to stress risers
 
Very nice work. I have a knife in the junk box because I messed up the full tang when I tried to taper it, and this might just allow me to salvage it and make it into a stick tang. Wonderfully inspiring! Thanks.
 
Matthew Gregory said:
just saying that Dan's new method is his way of overcoming the reduction in strength at the weakest part if the handle.
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MadBug said:
Overcoming what exactly? Dan's new method certainly looks cool, and a lot stronger...
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...overcoming the weakest part of the handle. I kind of remember NOT questioning the integrity of Mr. Burke's knives.
 
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Matt - I'm questioning the integrity of your knives. Guess you'll have to bring one with you to Blade and prove it to me. ;)
 
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