Student's suspended for not reporting a knife

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A WOODEN knife no less.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1103883739291790.xml

I'll post the story because they purge the online archive after a few days.

Students suspended for not reporting knife
Cedar Cliff suspends students for not reporting wooden knife
Friday, December 24, 2004
BY T.W. BURGER
Of The Patriot-News

Cindy Black's son will serve two days of school suspension next month, and she is very unhappy about it.

Charlie Black, 14, is one of a number of Cedar Cliff High School students who were given two-day, in-school suspensions on Monday.

A school administrator said the incident that triggered that punishment is clearly covered by school policy.

However, Cindy Black said the students are being punished for telling the truth.

Several weeks ago, a student in teacher Randy Hamme's woodworking class made a knife out of cedar, a violation of the district's weapons policy.

"It was only about 6 inches long," Charlie Black said.

Hamme said he could not comment for this story.

Word about the knife made its way to school officials. The student who made the knife, whose name cannot be divulged because of his age, is now in juvenile detention, Cindy Black said.

The district would not comment on the student's status.

The other students were asked to write down whether they knew about the knife and, if so, why they had not reported it.

"They said they did not come forward because they were afraid of retaliation from the student who made the knife," Cindy Black said.

Mike Murphy, the district's director of administrative management services, said the punishment was meted out according to guidelines set in the district's weapons policy.

Murphy said the punishment is spelled out in the student handbook and was discussed at an assembly at the beginning of the year.

He also said that the students are not being punished for being truthful.

"That's no different than the kid who comes to school under the influence and admits to it," he said. "We're not punishing them for their admission. They are being punished because they violated the policy."

In the wake of a number of school shootings across the nation in recent years, Murphy said, "serious concerns" about weapons is only appropriate.

"The policy says it is a violation not only to possess or use a weapon, but to know about a weapon in the possession of a student and not report it," he said.

Cindy Black said most of the class, about 15 students, were given the in-school suspension.

Murphy said he could not, by law, discuss any aspect of the case in detail, but said the number was not that high.

Charlie Black said he never saw the student who made the knife threaten anyone with it.

"Some of the kids were kind of scared of him. He gets in trouble a lot. I've heard of him beating kids up, but I've never actually seen it."

He also said he is dreading the in-school suspension, where he will sit in a small room all day doing his school work in isolation.

"What I don't understand is, they said they were being more lenient. They think in-school suspension is better than out-of-school suspension," he said. "Maybe they think out-of-school suspension is worse for the parents."

T.W. BURGER: 432-8374 or tburger@patriot-news.com
 
I've never been much of a fan of zero-tlerance, and its for reasons like this. Imagine you have parentas who smoke, and they leave a pack in the car when you drive to school. Is is fair? No. Is is against school policy? Yes. Whose fault is it? The parents. Who gets blamed? The kid. See why I don't like it. also, I've fiddled with sharp points on bokken, and while it would hurt to poke someone, I doubt you would get good penetration.
 
made a knife out of cedar
Waitaminnit--am I reading this right? The fricking thing was made out of wood?

This is what Dictionary.com has for "knife":
1. A cutting instrument consisting of a sharp blade attached to a handle.
2. A cutting edge; a blade
Cedar must be one sharp piece of wood :rolleyes: .
 
I take it you've never carved a knife to use in IMPs? Made one a long time ago with birch that would cut meat. Wasn't about to use my knife on my food with the stuff I was using it on out there and not way to clean it, so I carved a knife for my food.
 
Wait a minute, that happened in Pennsylvania :eek: I can't believe what this state has come to.
 
VampyreWolf said:
I take it you've never carved a knife to use in IMPs? Made one a long time ago with birch that would cut meat. Wasn't about to use my knife on my food with the stuff I was using it on out there and not way to clean it, so I carved a knife for my food.
I don't know what an IMP is, so I'm guessing I never have. How thin does it have to be to cut well?

I also realize that wood or not, it could still be "dangerous," but still, a piece of wood carved into the shape of a knife (in wood shop no less) that was never used in any malicious manner (at least according to the report) still should not cause this much of a stir. I also feel that the whole suspension thing for the other kids for not saying anything about it was a crock. If I had seen someone do it I wouldn't have said anything either simply because it doesn't seem like anything worth reporting. I'd also like to see the school's policy of what they consider a weapon. I wonder if that same kid had fashioned a wooden bat if the same thing would happen.
 
Good thing the kid didn't carve a gun. :rolleyes:
 
That'll teach 'em. I'll bet they're just lining up to admit to the truth the next time. The principle sounds like a real maroon.

Bill
 
i hope that the people involved with that cant sleep at night. they ruined that kids life.
 
there was a time when going to school made you clever, now, it looks as though WORKING in a school makes you stupid. someones been watching too much Buffy
 
Can someone tell me what "in-school suspension" acomplishes? I thought the idea of suspending them was to get them out of school grounds?

Hell I used to take my SAK with me to school when I was in 5th grade. The teacher, Mr. Corvalos, and I would take turns using the thing. I'd even bring issues of G&A and Shooting Times in and I'd eat lunch in classroom with him and we'd talk about all sorts of things gun and outdoor related. He lasted 3 months before being "let go." :mad:
 
ERINT said:
Can someone tell me what "in-school suspension" acomplishes? I thought the idea of suspending them was to get them out of school grounds?
The idea of suspension is to impress on them the error of their ways. Tossing them out in the street for a time isn't a punishment -- it's school-sponsored hooky. :)

When I was a Postal Service manager, we had "paper" suspensions, where the "corrective" disciplinary action went on the offender's record, in his personnel file, but he came to work, did his job, and got paid. This way, neither the public, the employee, nor the Postal Service suffered again because he had done wrong.

But if he did wrong again, he got another paper suspension, and another, and .. and .. and then he got fired. I never saw that actually happen. They got the idea.
 
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