style or student

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i hear people all the time saying that a style is not important that it is the students. but i dont always agree. there are many styles that the teacher or the founder has done his homework, so he is passing on good information. the teacher who has been to many fights, or has coached enough studnets and develop his ability to build strong and smart students, this guy has made a practical and useful style.

but what about the guy who has little real training and experience? he has just basic understanding of the martial arts, like a first degree, never been in a fight, never been in any kind of tournament, and his only "research" is with his own students or in front of a tv and vcr or open book. what kind of research is this? untested, self-praised, who knows is this is practical? i think most of the people who are teaching "new and improved" styles have done this.

a GOOD style is one that is useful. it has been tested many times over, and put together by an experienced man who can assure his boys, this works.

a BAD style is one that claims to whip up anybody, yet the teacher has never done it himself.

i was told it is better to KNOW that your fighting art works, than to FIND OUT that it doesnt.

also, there is a saying that the "martial" art can be demonstrated, but a "fighting" art must be proven. that is why you people who met me in person never get a demo, only an invitation to spar. can you ask an arm wrestling champion to show you his moves? NO! you have to participate!

so it is true that the student makes the difference, but even the tough man will get beat up if his technique is lousy.
 
>also, there is a saying that the "martial"
>art can be demonstrated, but a "fighting"
>art must be proven. that is why you people
>who met me in person never get a demo, only
>an invitation to spar. can you ask an arm
>wrestling champion to show you his moves?
>NO! you have to participate!

Agree with you here. Now days when people get together you have them say, "hey let's train or work out". This usually involves one guy saying, "OK if you throw that punch, this is what we would do. And if you throw that kick...no, like this...OK, then we would do this," And then the other guys says, "hey, that was pretty good, but against the first punch...we would do this or this...punch again...this."

I used to do this as well, but no more. The only way to show me that your stuff is good is to show me on the field. Not in a bad way, though, in a learning way. I know that the statement may sound arrogant, but it is actually just how I learn now.

For example, we had a guy come out to work out with us one day(translation: progressive isolated sparring drills and sparring), and he said that he enjoyed it but he learns better visually. When I asked him how did he know that, he told me that that was how he has been learning for the past 9 years. Well, then when I asked him how come he couldn't make it work in sparring, he didn't know what to say. I think it is because visual learning didn't cut it, so now he is experiencing it every weekend.

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Chad
Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii
www.fullcontacthi.com
 
I agree with both of you to an extent. If you spar(assuming you do realistic sparring) then it's easy to see what works and what doesn't. However, I don't get the chance to spar as often as I'd like, but can rely on real life experience to let me know if a technique would be beneficial to me or not.
 
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