Suggest replacement for my Kershaw 1650 Vapor

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Lost my knife today. Seeking a replacement. I was happy with the Vapor, but it's discontinued. I might find one on eBay, but I'm looking for alternatives I might like better. Looking for some of the same qualities as the Kershaw:

* small but not tiny
* good pocket clip
* works with gloves (the Vapor was only OK with gloves)
* stout enough to lever off a bottle cap (which probably means steel)
* some grip on the scales
* under $200
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You might want to be a bit more specific since your criteria don’t narrow the options down much.
1. Do you have a max blade or overall length requirement?
2. A good clip is easy enough.
3. What type of gloves? Thick? Thin? Leather? Fabric?
4. I’d recommend something like a Gerber Shard for bottle opening and prying. Most decent knives will open a bottle in the manner in your video but I wouldn’t recommend it. You risk damaging the knife or more importantly your fingers.
5. Most decent knives are contoured/coated/configured so grip isn’t much of an issue depending on what you’re using it for.
6. $200 can go a long way in the knife world. Are there any brands or models in particular you’re interested in?
 
You might want to be a bit more specific since your criteria don’t narrow the options down much.
1. Do you have a max blade or overall length requirement?
2. A good clip is easy enough.
3. What type of gloves? Thick? Thin? Leather? Fabric?
4. I’d recommend something like a Gerber Shard for bottle opening and prying. Most decent knives will open a bottle in the manner in your video but I wouldn’t recommend it. You risk damaging the knife or more importantly your fingers.
5. Most decent knives are contoured/coated/configured so grip isn’t much of an issue depending on what you’re using it for.
6. $200 can go a long way in the knife world. Are there any brands or models in particular you’re interested in?
Thank you, ScarFoot.

1. I’m not sure of a maximum size. My Spyderco Dragonfly would be a minimum size. I think 4” would be a reasonable maximum. It’s too big if I notice I’m carrying it. The Vapor would actually fit in the change pocket of Wrangler jeans (which have an unusually large change pocket).

3. Construction gloves. The Dragonfly is great for opening and closing one handed with construction gloves. The Vapor not so much because of the liner lock.

4. Knife is a back up bottle opener, but it’s important for me to have it, because I drink about 6 glass-bottled waters a day. $200 is a good “not afraid to tear it up” level for me. I appreciate that the potential for cuts is there. I’d just stick to my Dragonfly if it were tough enough to do this. There is a metal dragonfly, but (5.) it looks slippery.

5. I’m not really familiar with brands or models, but I do like knives with a tool aesthetic (as opposed to a combat or outdoors aesthetic). I like that I can send my Spyderco back for sharpening, so a brand with that service would be slightly preferred.

Use is the usual pocket-knife stuff: cutting tape, cardboard, rope, etc. Pocket carry on the clip. I like that the Vapor was just big enough to cut through a garden hose, which would have been possible but a bit awkward with my dragonfly.
 
The GB 2 is an awesome knife. Spyderco (Dragonfly 2) was the first thing that came to mind with your glove and size requirement. The top pic is my daily carry. It’s a PM2 and a ladybug on a key ring with a gerber shard. Minus the flash light, I have about $200 in the whole setup. A Benchmade 940 Osborne (bottom pic) might also be a good option. It’s one of the “smallest“ large knives I have. They come in a variety of handle and blade materials. The carbon fiber version is a little over your price range.27293902-E640-4B1F-9310-33418CCAFE33.jpegFACEBD71-74B6-4DCA-80CC-A8FF5E317EFC.jpeg
 
Lost my knife today. Seeking a replacement. I was happy with the Vapor, but it's discontinued. I might find one on eBay, but I'm looking for alternatives I might like better. Looking for some of the same qualities as the Kershaw:

* small but not tiny
* good pocket clip
* works with gloves (the Vapor was only OK with gloves)
* stout enough to lever off a bottle cap (which probably means steel)
* some grip on the scales
* under $200
Kershaw-KS1640.jpg
Absolutely no need to open a bottle like that. If you must use a knife, look up how to use leverage to open a bottle and use the handle without opening the blade lol.

The larger knife dealers like knifecenter have good search tools where you can select the exact parameters you want to choose from.

No matter what you get, don't open a bottle with an open blade.
 
In that price range there is the Buck 112 Ranger Auto and Auto Elite, which are some of the finest folding knives in existence. They're made for one-handed deployment, and come with a belt holster (much more convenient than pants pocket. The blade is about 3". And the Ranger's craftsmanship is fantastic! Buck Knives has been making top-notch quality knives for over a century! It has more experience with heat treating than any knife maker.

Just to be fair, when Buck could have put its competition out of business, because its proprietary heat-treating process was so far ahead of everyone else, they gave the man who was head of heat treating permission to work for all other knife makers on the side! Buck claims their 440 stainless blades are better than anyone else's s30v blades, simply because of the fifty-year lead it has in heat-treating.

Other knife makers levy unfair criticisms at Buck, because, quite honestly, they're afraid to do a straight-up comparison! People make a huge deal about a knife's weight, which is practically irrelevant when dealing things that weigh several ounces!

Buck doesn't use hype to tout its products. They don't have names like, "Zombie Slayer" or "Tactical Equalizer", because that's just more bull! And carbon fiber is valuable only because it is stronger and lighter than steel in 'tension' applications (pulling it apart)!

It has no value beyond strength in tension and light weight. It is quite costly. There is nothing better in that narrow and specific material application. But it is not valuable for it's beauty, because it's just black fibers! If any knife maker mentions 'carbon fiber', it almost assuredly to deceive the buyer who doesn't really understand why carbon fiber is valuable! Those are makers to avoid!

Pro-Tech is one such maker. Some of its scales have carbon fiber inlays, which is not an application that exploits the value of carbon fiber! It is decorative! So, when you go knife shopping, try to cut through the meaningless banter down to what really matters, because the knife doesn't come with zombies to kill, and it won't give any tactical advantage.

A knife is a means to apply presssure to a very thin area, which greatly magnifies the force on the handle, because because the force is spead over a tiny, tiny area. If we imagine pounds per square inch (psi), and a very small area over which to spread that force, the force is enough to cut into other materials. Or, we can look at it the other way.

A bulls horns are not exactly sharp. But with the immense force behind it, it can gore other animals, including humans! So, all the knife needs to do is apply the force on the handle to a very small area corresponding to the edge on the blade. The sharper the knife, the smaller the area the force is distributed to, and the lower the handle-force necessary to cut into other materials!

Buck knives also increase in value over time, unless they're real trainwrecks! I have ten Buckmaster survival knives that I bought in the nineties. I inspected each one to carefully check for flaws, put one in my desk drawer wherever my job took me, for self defense, greased up the edge on the remaining nine, and stored them! Those were about 80.00 a piece.

Now they're up to over 1,300.00 a piece, unused, actual 'sold' items on eBay! The Buck 112 Ranger Auto is the finest of it's type I've ever seen, at any price. It is guaranteed forever! It should definitely last a lifetime, if not become a family heirloom!

They are the most collectible industrially manufactured knives in the world! You simply can't do better at any price under 1,000.00! The Buck 110 is the number-one folding knife in the world, and it's guaranteed forever! That one is a bit large though. And Bucks are a bit heavier than others. But that is a contrived disadvantage when if comes to items that weigh in under 200 grams! It's like saying one TV remote is lighter than another! Who cares?


So, then mixed in with all the meaningless hype D'jour comes the notion that shaving ever last gram possible off a pocket knife's weight has some supreme advantage, or some high luxury value that justifies purchase over much better knives that weigh a little more! I've got to tell ya, a folding knife has to be really heavy to bog me down! I carry a heavy EDC. Swiss Army knife S557. I purchased 10 of them when they were going for 47.00 in 2016! I don't want to run out! And now they're 92.00.

If I like a knife, I'll usually by 10 for extras, so I can make customsations, some of which end up in the parts drawer! It's easier than disposing of them! Once I walked into a gun/knife shop with some really nice cutlery to sell, cheap. It was before Internet, and my girlfriend was really jealous of my knives.

So, I was going to make her happy by selling some and getting her something nice with the cash. Now I wish I would let her go instead! Let that be a lesson to the greenhorns.
 
In that price range there is the Buck 112 Ranger Auto and Auto Elite, which are some of the finest folding knives in existence. They're made for one-handed deployment, and come with a belt holster (much more convenient than pants pocket. The blade is about 3". And the Ranger's craftsmanship is fantastic! Buck Knives has been making top-notch quality knives for over a century! It has more experience with heat treating than any knife maker.

Just to be fair, when Buck could have put its competition out of business, because its proprietary heat-treating process was so far ahead of everyone else, they gave the man who was head of heat treating permission to work for all other knife makers on the side! Buck claims their 440 stainless blades are better than anyone else's s30v blades, simply because of the fifty-year lead it has in heat-treating.

Other knife makers levy unfair criticisms at Buck, because, quite honestly, they're afraid to do a straight-up comparison! People make a huge deal about a knife's weight, which is practically irrelevant when dealing things that weigh several ounces!

Buck doesn't use hype to tout its products. They don't have names like, "Zombie Slayer" or "Tactical Equalizer", because that's just more bull! And carbon fiber is valuable only because it is stronger and lighter than steel in 'tension' applications (pulling it apart)!

It has no value beyond strength in tension and light weight. It is quite costly. There is nothing better in that narrow and specific material application. But it is not valuable for it's beauty, because it's just black fibers! If any knife maker mentions 'carbon fiber', it almost assuredly to deceive the buyer who doesn't really understand why carbon fiber is valuable! Those are makers to avoid!

Pro-Tech is one such maker. Some of its scales have carbon fiber inlays, which is not an application that exploits the value of carbon fiber! It is decorative! So, when you go knife shopping, try to cut through the meaningless banter down to what really matters, because the knife doesn't come with zombies to kill, and it won't give any tactical advantage.

A knife is a means to apply presssure to a very thin area, which greatly magnifies the force on the handle, because because the force is spead over a tiny, tiny area. If we imagine pounds per square inch (psi), and a very small area over which to spread that force, the force is enough to cut into other materials. Or, we can look at it the other way.

A bulls horns are not exactly sharp. But with the immense force behind it, it can gore other animals, including humans! So, all the knife needs to do is apply the force on the handle to a very small area corresponding to the edge on the blade. The sharper the knife, the smaller the area the force is distributed to, and the lower the handle-force necessary to cut into other materials!

Buck knives also increase in value over time, unless they're real trainwrecks! I have ten Buckmaster survival knives that I bought in the nineties. I inspected each one to carefully check for flaws, put one in my desk drawer wherever my job took me, for self defense, greased up the edge on the remaining nine, and stored them! Those were about 80.00 a piece.

Now they're up to over 1,300.00 a piece, unused, actual 'sold' items on eBay! The Buck 112 Ranger Auto is the finest of it's type I've ever seen, at any price. It is guaranteed forever! It should definitely last a lifetime, if not become a family heirloom!

They are the most collectible industrially manufactured knives in the world! You simply can't do better at any price under 1,000.00! The Buck 110 is the number-one folding knife in the world, and it's guaranteed forever! That one is a bit large though. And Bucks are a bit heavier than others. But that is a contrived disadvantage when if comes to items that weigh in under 200 grams! It's like saying one TV remote is lighter than another! Who cares?


So, then mixed in with all the meaningless hype D'jour comes the notion that shaving ever last gram possible off a pocket knife's weight has some supreme advantage, or some high luxury value that justifies purchase over much better knives that weigh a little more! I've got to tell ya, a folding knife has to be really heavy to bog me down! I carry a heavy EDC. Swiss Army knife S557. I purchased 10 of them when they were going for 47.00 in 2016! I don't want to run out! And now they're 92.00.

If I like a knife, I'll usually by 10 for extras, so I can make customsations, some of which end up in the parts drawer! It's easier than disposing of them! Once I walked into a gun/knife shop with some really nice cutlery to sell, cheap. It was before Internet, and my girlfriend was really jealous of my knives.

So, I was going to make her happy by selling some and getting her something nice with the cash. Now I wish I would let her go instead! Let that be a lesson to the greenhorns
 
The benchmade weekender drops July 12th and is just $25 north of your budget. It is a slip joint with blades on both ends and a bottle opener. I guess it would be benchmades attempt a sak like knife. Looks pretty sweet and is s30v steel for what it’s worth.
 
I hate to recommend it because I've owned one and the quality is very so so, but try a version of the CRKT M16, they do the skeletonization and half serrations.

Or, get a Civivi Perv.
I had to check and make sure it wasn't really called that!

The Perf looks like a great choice. Looks like it could also open a paint can by grabbing the lip between the scales. My Vapor could do that trick. Not really a factor in purchasing, but a small bonus.
 
Oh mannnn, that's an embarrassing typo...I'm going to blame my phone for that one haha...I'll leave it in there if it provides some entertainment factor.

Good luck!
 
The benchmade weekender drops July 12th and is just $25 north of your budget. It is a slip joint with blades on both ends and a bottle opener. I guess it would be benchmades attempt a sak like knife. Looks pretty sweet and is s30v steel for what it’s worth.
That sure is a pretty knife, but pockets and gloves don't mix. I absolutely have to have a clip. But, again, that is a good looking knife.
 
I had to check and make sure it wasn't really called that!

The Perf looks like a great choice. Looks like it could also open a paint can by grabbing the lip between the scales. My Vapor could do that trick. Not really a factor in purchasing, but a small bonus.
Sounds to me like you want a beater knife that can occasionally flex into non-knife tasks/abuse.

I wouldn't spend $200 on something like that. Take a look at the Ontario RAT I or II. Get a couple.
 
For under 200 I would get a Spyderco para 3 s45vn and a Victorinox spartan. All bases covered
 
Spyderco delica or para 3 ..
Idk about the bottle opener thing ... I just use the edge of a table. I would think either of them would hold up for that task though.
 
DPx HEST/F Urban. Right at the top of your price limit, but it should do everything you want.

Maybe this thread will help?

 
Sounds to me like you want a beater knife that can occasionally flex into non-knife tasks/abuse.

I wouldn't spend $200 on something like that. Take a look at the Ontario RAT I or II. Get a couple.
I worry that the edge wouldn't hold.
 
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