Suggestions for Joe Houser's 110 data sheet dated 5/1/08

[sawgrass]

This will include only Version 2 and Version 3 of the Buck 110 model:
1. All Version 2 and 3 are 1/2 inch thick at the butt bolster. Starting with Version 4, they were made 9/16 of an inch thick.
2. Version 2, Variation 1-3, Butt rivets: (2) visible on the left side of rear bolsters only.
3. Version 2, Variation 1-3, Rocker rivet: Brass no head (or with large flat head).
4. Version 3, Variation 5-9, Rocker rivet: Brass no head (or with large flat head).

I thought that these might be helpful in identifying Versions 1-3 of Buck 110 models. I am sure several could make additions to this including the spring mechanisms. I don't want to offend Joe Houser or Buck knives, but good identification is important. PI am sure there more ways to identify and preserve these great knives, so please those of you who can, make additions that you are aware of for identification purposes.

Thanks for you input.

 

[bertl]

Sawgrass,
It's always good to see someone interested in the early 110s; however, I think you need to think about the purpose of an identification key. The characteristics of an object that quickly and accurately separate one object from another are all that are needed. Your suggestions, although basically correct, add nothing necessary for identification. For example, rather than measure the thickness, it is much easier to look at a knife and say, "That is a Version 2 because it has a fiber spacer". Not only that but the spacer characteristics quickly separate Versions 2 and 3 from each other and from all other versions.

Details unnecessary for identification are appropriate in a lengthy discussion of a knife; however, there is a word of caution: "Don't make generalizations unless you have a large sample size as a basis. One or two examples are not enough."

Finally, from my experience, detailed measurements are tricky. The result often depends on the person doing the measuring, the tool used for the measurement, and exactly what was measured. Then you have to factor in the question of whether the samples are representative; often a range of values is better than a value that tries to be overly precise. The early110s were essentially handmade and variation from knife to knife occurred during production.

 

[sawgrass]

Sawgrass,
It's always good to see someone interested in the early 110s; however, I think you need to think about the purpose of an identification key. The characteristics of an object that quickly and accurately separate one object from another are all that are needed. Your suggestions, although basically correct, add nothing necessary for identification. For example, rather than measure the thickness, it is much easier to look at a knife and say, "That is a Version 2 because it has a fiber spacer". Not only that but the spacer characteristics quickly separate Versions 2 and 3 from each other and from all other versions.

Details unnecessary for identification are appropriate in a lengthy discussion of a knife; however, there is a word of caution: "Don't make generalizations unless you have a large sample size as a basis. One or two examples are not enough."

Finally, from my experience, detailed measurements are tricky. The result often depends on the person doing the measuring, the tool used for the measurement, and exactly what was measured. Then you have to factor in the question of whether the samples are representative; often a range of values is better than a value that tries to be overly precise. The early110s were essentially handmade and variation from knife to knife occurred during production.

bertl,

I think you for your wise advice. I recognized some of this after I started the thread and tried to take the thread off, but I couldn't do it. I asked bladeforums how I can take this thread off, but got no answer. It is an emberassment to me after thinking this through, but I don't know what I can do to get rid of it. Your well spoken thoughts are very much appreciated but I really don't know what to do to remove this. If you know how I can, I will appreciate it. Thanks again.

 

[300Bucks]

Sawgrass we can delete the the thread but currently you project a humble attitude and this thread may be good for others to read and consider before they make thin ice statements. It can serve as education for someone else in this situation and likely will disappear into thread history on its own

But, if you wish it can disappear, you can Private Message me. 300Bucks, Buck Forum Moderator