Suggestions for show etequette

Double Edge Dave

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With the worlds biggest knife show only a few days away, I thought it would be appropriate to start a thread about show etequette. This is by no means a comprehensive list. Please feel free to chime in.
Always ask before picking up a knife off a table. The answer will almost always be yes. It will start the contact with the maker/vendor on a positive note.

Do not flick somebody else's folder open.
You can tell more about the smoothness of the action by opening it slowly anyway. It can loosen up or damage a knife a lot faster than normal use.It also means an unfamiliar knife won't slip out of you hands, which leads to the next suggestion.

Be careful when picking up or replacing a knife. There is nothing that makes an exhibitor madder than hearing one of their knives hitting another. They may also hold you responsible for damage.

Don't ask a whole bunch of questions or tie up a lot of an exhibitor's time if you have absolutely no intention of buying anything. I am not talking about a friendly exchange and asking a few logical questions and examining a few knives. There are people who will pick up every knife on the table, ask every question possible, and then walk away saying they were not interested in buying anything that day. That is beyond the bounds of being reasonable.

Try to minimize the fingerprints you put on others knives. It is better to pick one up by the scales than polished bolsters or blades. Of course you want to thouroughly examine a knife, but it can be done with a little care and you won't leave fingerprints on every surface. Also, a lot of folks do not want you to wipe off their knives when returning them. They have special cloths for that. It is amazing, but I have seen scratches occuring on a polished blade just by wiping it down with an unsuitable cloth.

Be careful about sharpness testing. Personally, I won't buy a knife that is not shaving sharp. However, I wait until I have looked at it thouroughly, worked my deal with the exhibitor and am ready to buy it before I shave arm hair with it.

Lots of dickering occurs at shows. I suggest that you will have more luck offering what you think is a fair price and sticking to it. People who lowball with the hopes of meeting a price in the middle end up shooting themselves in the foot. Makers/vendors are generally independent types and will blow you off without consideration if you make an offer they consider insulting. In the same vein, avoid saying stuff like there is only a few dollars of material in a knife and it can't be that much work to put one together. Try it! Most of the time makers have a very good feel for their reasonable profit and how their prices align with similar pieces from other makers. Helpful hint: CASH TALKS! You can often get a better deal by offering the old green stuff.
As I said at the start, these are suggestions and don't cover the complete subject. Most of it boils down to common sense and the Golden Rule.
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[This message has been edited by davidb415 (edited 06-03-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">With the worlds biggest knife show only a few days away</font>

Well, the world's largest knife show is about three hundred days away. It is the world's second largest knife show that is coming up this weekend in Atlanta.


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David - great post, lots of good tips especially for those who will be going to their first big knife show in just a little bit.

You forgot one thing....to not drop one expensive knife onto another from eye level....we have seen that happen before haven't we?
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Man, I wish I was going to Atlanta...damn.

Anyway, someone wolf down some Sushi and Kirin for me at Sushi Huku.

OK...David, I think those are excellent guidelines.

The only thing I disagree with is a minor point. Almost any one-hand opener that would be damaged by being not FORCEFULLY snapped, but you know, just flicked open, I don't want anyway.

BUT...BUT...it is RUDE as David suggested to do so and you don't HAVE to snap them to feel if they are "snappable" if you know knives...

Having worked local Knife Shows with a Dealer, I've demo'd the Wave over and over again, but it was mine...etc.

Having worked the Tables of two Dealers, I can tell you that nothing pisses off a Maker more than having someone with casual disregard to what they are handling, let something clatter to the table, smacking other knives that their business depends on and they handcrafted and now they have to buff out your stupidity...and they might have to take that knife home with them because you scratched it and they cannot sell a knife for $400.00 that has YOUR scratch on it.

Also from experience...

You guys out there that are new to this World, please treat razor sharp knives with the same respect you would a loaded firearm. I know last year I had several of Jerry Hossom's Knives handed to me point first so I could place them on the table. Please choke up on the grip up next to the guard/blade/bolster and give the guy at the table some of the knife to grab onto.

If you think these things don't happen, you have not been to enough shows. Not everyone is knife-savvy and they do some incredibly disrespectful and stupid things.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gollnick:
Well, the world's largest knife show is about three hundred days away. It is the world's second largest knife show that is coming up this weekend in Atlanta.
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Man, can I afford TWO trips next year? I would love to take a Camcorder to get You and Clay on film.

 
Don't flip balis unles the owner says too. this worse than flicking a regular folder, IMHO.

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never interrupt a sale.
if the place is burning down,do not interrupt.
makers are there to have a good time AND to support themselves. you interrupt a sale,he could end up losing it.not a good thing.
 
Please don't place anything on the maker's table without permission. Soda cans and briefcases can ruin things. If you need to put something down, and it doesn't fit directly in front of the table, ask the maker if he or she could put it behind the table until you're done looking.

Please handle the knives in front of the maker's table and not in the middle of the aisle. Also, please don't remove a knife from the table and hand it to someone else in the middle of the aisle.

Please do not let your children handle the knives or run their fingers along the edge of the tables. It's bad enough when an adult gets cut!

And, most importantly, ENJOY THE SHOW!
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Good points to adhere to at a knife show David. Good old fashioned common courtesy is a trademark among knife folk.
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[This message has been edited by misque (edited 06-03-2001).]
 
Great topic David. Lots of good info here.

Another thing that you don't want to do is run your fingers up and down the sides of a hi-polished blade. This has been known to cause scratches. I would have never thought that people would do that, but I listenned to a ten minute rant by a well respected SC maker who had several blades scratched that way.
 
Chuck,
I stand corrected
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Where is the world's biggest show? Milan? Have you attended? I would love to hear more about it!
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Even if ppl are handling the maker's knife, if possible ask before handling, and I myself carry a chamois to clean any fingerprints I may inadvertently have left on the knife(ves) Oh and clean hands help a bunch.

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With rare exceptions, I always ask before handling a maker's knives.

I must admit to occasionally breaking some of the rules. I often check the sharpness of a blade across my thumb. It's not something I recommend, many people end up cutting themselves that way, but I never have.

If there's even a 50% chance I'll buy a particular knife, I do handle it much more. I find it much easier to check grind lines and other grind features by touch than by eye, so once I'm interested in a blade, the maker is going to have to put up with me rubbing my fingers lightly across the blade face and all the grind lines. I realize many people think this is a little rude, but I feel like I can learn a lot from it. And the makers typically have a cloth handy to wipe the blade right off again.

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I think if someone doesnt want their knives handled, they should be under a glass case! And if they get scratched while being handled, well, I just dont know what to say.. people are there to LOOK and PICK UP your knives.....they should feel FREE to do so....I have seen some LAME things at shows, but that is a part of life...if someone is doing something that is really offensive they need to be told. Like Tom A said, the goal is to have fun.
 
I'd suggest being patient with kids. If they're out of line say so, but also explain to them the RIGHT way to behave. When I was a kid I'd never miss our local gun show with my dad. I'm not into guns but I knew there would always be loads and loads of knife exhibitors too. I learned early not handle the knives without asking, etc. A scant few of the exhibitors were flat out rude to me. But in part because of the many who were supportive of a little kid, I'm the knife knut I am today. Today's brats are tomorrow's knife knuts.
 
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Very good post David, and very good tips. I want to add one thing if I could, about the wiping of knives...

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, a lot of folks do not want you to wipe off their knives when returning them. They have special cloths for that. It is amazing, but I have seen scratches occuring on a polished blade just by wiping it down with an unsuitable cloth.</font>


I all ways carry a chamois with me, because they will never scratch a knife. I have wiped an high poilshed Brend blade, and it didn't scratch at all. Just make sure the chamois is clean of any grit. I think if a maker saw someone wipping off one of his knives with a chamois, that he would be very happy to see someone that is respectful towards his wares.

Thanks David! See you at the show...
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Excellent Topic.

Gollnick - maybe we should just classify this one as the World's BEST Knife Show!
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First - I would like to reiterate what MO said about being considerate with a Makers time. I know that I have been guilty of asking what seems like a thousand questions to a Maker whose Work I really admire (usually after I have already purchased). I think this a natural thing, wanting to know about the knife you just bought or just wanting to connect with the Maker. BUT the reality is that each Maker will see hundreds of people each day and several of those people ALSO want to chat with the Maker. My advice is continue to look around and come back later when you see that Maker is not as busy.

Second, If the Maker happens to be alone at his/her Table and you are chatting.... offer to get them a Soda or something to eat from the Snack Bar. They may not have hauled in their own Cooler of Refreshments and if the Maker does have an assistant he/she might be off looking around, so take the time to offer.

Last, when done admiring a Makers knives say Thank You before departing.

Common Courtesy Gents, without it we all might as well be up swinging through the trees flinging crap at each other.
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on that suggestion #2 above.....Jerry and I will go for a mug of draft Guinness thank you very much!!
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