Suggestions for SHTF/BUG OUT knives - folder and fixed

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As I compile my SHTF/BugOut list of needed items, I get to the knife category and realize that all of my knives are for medium to light duty (Sage, Delica, UKPK, Urban Leaf, Persistence, Dragonfly, Griptilian, yada, yada). The beefiest of these being, probably, the Griptilian.

Now I think I really need to acquire a heavier, more durable knife that I can use for all manner of tough and dirty jobs without too much worry about damaging the blade or the knife. I guess that means a fixed blade knife. But I'd also like to have folder that can qualify for that category.

Some folders that come to mind for the job are the Manix, Military, Zero Tolerance. Thinking probably ZT meets the need the most of these?

I know nothing of fixed-blade knives, so I don't even know where to start there.

Please offer your recommendation for a FOLDER and a FIXED BLADE for tough, dirty jobs under a SHTF/Bug Out scenario. I'm not interested in pretty, fancy, uber expensive knives, I'm only interested in knives that can do the job, keep a good edge, and stand up to tough, rough duty when life as we know it turns dark and scary.

Many thanks!
 
Tough Folder would be any ZT. I have a 350. It is nice, tough, and comfortable. It is more of a tactical folder. The other is the new HEST Folder, really tough, thick, solid lock. Also on the cheap is one of my favorites is the American Lawman or the Recon. The triad lock is a complete tank! I use the hell out of of my Lawman.

Fixed...well depends on what you want for length in your bag. I like a 4-6" range. I have a RC4 that I like, Bravo 1, and Fallkniven F1. But I like something longer. S1 seems to be a sweet spot. But I love my A1 the best. if can chop decent and the sheath is small functional and light. The sheath makes it pack down like a smaller knife so that is why I like the Fallkniven so much!
 
Or get a BK7 cheap and decent. I also really really like...and dont laugh my Gerber Big Rock. A 20 dollar knife that has amazed me with its comfort and performance. It has been beat on big time! And there is always the Mora 2000 or 2010. I love them but the blades are thin if it is your only BOB fixed.
 
I'd suggest the ZT-0200 for a folder. I'm impressed with mine.

For a fixed blade probably one of the quarter-inchers is what you may be looking for.
ESEE-5
Becker BK-2
Ontario Ranger RD
 
Depending on the size of your bag, even something like the cold steel bushman might be appropriate.

The fixed blade in my bag is an old camillus pilot's knife.
 
For me, I chose my sak new soldier for my folder. I know a zt is just about as tough as a fixed blade, but I like the versatility granted by the sak, rather than going with the brute force approach. Its also cheaper.

I have a Gerber prodigy for my fixed blade, which I really like, but I'd probably go for the bk2 if i was doing it over.
 
I suggest finding a small fixed blade, such as the Becker BK11/14, Esee Izula1/2, Swamp Rat Swamp Warden/Rodent Solution, etc., and making it your EDC fixed blade, to supplement your EDC folder. The reason for this is that you can have the best of everything in your go-bag, but if you get separated from it, you're stuck.
 
ZT 0200 for folder. i have not have much experience with fixed blades, but just looking at the numbers, you could look at scrapyard knives. they seem thick and decent steel.
 
Scarpyard Deregulator. Its .333 inch thick at the spine.

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Zero Tolerance 0200

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Both of these are pretty tough and would get the job done IMO.
 
Consider the likely nature of a SHTF/BUG OUT situation.

Chances are, a humble Mora and a SAK would be good enough and you can spend the hundreds of dollars you will save on a proper first aid kit, water, food, etc.
 
I'd suggest the ZT-0200 for a folder. I'm impressed with mine.

For a fixed blade probably one of the quarter-inchers is what you may be looking for.
ESEE-5
Becker BK-2
Ontario Ranger RD

Pretty good advice here.

Can't really beat the ZT for a big, sturdy folder.

One could add a Scrapyard knife or a Swamprat knife to the fixed blade category. While the ESEE-5 would be great, you could get by with an ESEE-4 or even a -3 and still be fine. The -5 is thick and stout ... might not need that much mass.

On the custom side, take a look at Fletcher, Horton, or Fiddleback. They make excellent fixed-blade knives and they're not that expensive.
 
I think for a worst case scenario, versatility in a folder would be more realistic. A tougher fixed blade might be a good idea, but any real prying and bashing, an actual pry bar might something to consider. So for a folder, I'd suggest something like a Leatherman Wave. It's by far my most useful folder in general and it pries better than my XM-18.
 
For the folder, the Spyderco Manix 2 or Gayle Bradley. Best option would probably be the Zero Tolerance 0200, though.

For the fixed blade, there's the Becker BK2. Even better, though, would be the ESEE 5.
 
By the very nature of this idea, it better be a knife that you set and forget. I don't know many that have cash to drop away a ZT 0200 and never play with it or take it out.

BOB component knives need to fill a purpose, a Multitool and a large fixed blade 6"+ that you put in and never take out till needed, God forbid,

I have a SOG multitool and Kabar large heavy bowie in my BOB backpacks at office, car and home. Can't remember last time I saw them after I inventoried them into their system.
 
As I compile my SHTF/BugOut list of needed items, I get to the knife category and realize that all of my knives are for medium to light duty (Sage, Delica, UKPK, Urban Leaf, Persistence, Dragonfly, Griptilian, yada, yada). The beefiest of these being, probably, the Griptilian.

Now I think I really need to acquire a heavier, more durable knife that I can use for all manner of tough and dirty jobs without too much worry about damaging the blade or the knife. I guess that means a fixed blade knife. But I'd also like to have folder that can qualify for that category.

Some folders that come to mind for the job are the Manix, Military, Zero Tolerance. Thinking probably ZT meets the need the most of these?

I know nothing of fixed-blade knives, so I don't even know where to start there.

Please offer your recommendation for a FOLDER and a FIXED BLADE for tough, dirty jobs under a SHTF/Bug Out scenario. I'm not interested in pretty, fancy, uber expensive knives, I'm only interested in knives that can do the job, keep a good edge, and stand up to tough, rough duty when life as we know it turns dark and scary.

Many thanks!

I haven't read any of the responses before answering this, so if I repeat something someone else has already said, it just means great minds think alike! :D

Anyway, in a SHTF, bug-out scenario, there are basically two skills you must master before anything else; finding and sanitizing water and balancing calorie output with intake. The former is self-explanatory and intuitive. The latter is somewhat counter-intuitive, and what I will address in response to your question(s).

My conclusion comes before the explanation: You don't need a folding knife for the circumstances you describe, and in fact, a folder will be more of a hindrance than an asset. A heavy-duty folder is at least one of those things, namely, heavy. Totin' around excess weight burns calories, and replacing calories burned comes in second in importance to replacing water. In a true bug-out situation, you can forget about being able to easily replenish food stores. In fact, it will be the hardest task you will have to complete on a daily basis. It will consume so much time that other important tasks will go undone because of it.

Now, a heavy folder may only weigh 5 to 8 ounces or so, but if you're not cutting weight there where you can without giving up anything that's truly needed, then you're likely packin' too heavy in other areas as well. My suggestion is to put your "dream" bug-out bag together. Lay it all out in front of you and pick a couple of things that you can do without. Lay it all out again and do the same thing. Rinse and repeat until your pack is down to the absolute bare essentials, because that's all the human body is designed to carry for extended periods and still be able to provide for itself.

I suggest two fixed blades, one large camp knife (or "chopper") and one small one for skinning and gutting very small game, making "fuzz sticks," first aid and on and on. The big one is needed to preserve calories when processing wood for fires. You will burn fewer calories carrying and chopping with a chopper than you will trying to process enough (and large enough) wood to get a fire going that will keep you warm with too small a knife. Of course, considerations such as these vary greatly by location, but unless you're really into raw squirrel, you're still gonna need a fire, even in warmer climes.

Which ones are "best?" Man, that's a loaded question! I love my Beckers and never leave the house without at least one. I personally appreciate Beckers for their strength, design and value, but being a true knife knut, I know without a doubt that there are myriad manufacturers and custom makers that put out product at least equal to or exceeding Beckers. And of course, what might be best for the area I will be bugging out into, might be almost useless for your purposes wherever you are. You'd have to be more specific about the kinds of uses you plan to subject your survival knives to before I'd hazard a guess as to what might be best for you.

My last suggestion is, when you get your pack down to what you believe are the bare essentials, head for the hills, park the car and hike into the great beyond with only what you have in that pack. If you can survive with it for a week or so without hitting that despair wall, where you're ready to cry "Uncle!", maybe you can make it in a real SHTF scenario. If not though, you've still got some repacking to do and some soul-searching to do. Simply putting a bunch of "survival gear" in a pack that sits undisturbed in a closet or car is not being "prepared." Training is working towards being prepared, and actually surviving after implementing your training is the only true evidence of being well prepared.

Good luck, and enjoy the wilderness!

Blues
 
For a multi tool I vote Victorinox spririt tool or Leatherman wave

Folder Spyderco endura 4 (easy one hand open and closing, comfortable simple lock back design and good steel VG10).

2-4 inch Fixed Esee Izula, Esee 3, Esee 4,

5-7 inch Fixed Becker BK2, BK7, Esee 6

8-9 Fixed Becker BK9, Khukri House nepalese army khukri

10inch plus Fixed Esee Junglas, Tramontina 12 inch, 14bolo, Condor El Salvador 14 machete, Imacasa 20 inch Liniero, Cold steel khukri machete and HI 18 sirupate
 
For the fixed blade, I like the 7" range for a do it all knife. I love my Camp Tramp and the Busse Sarsquatch is a great knife too. A cheaper blade in the same size/family is the Scrap Yard SOD.

I struggle with hard use folders. I just got a para 2 (love it!) and a manix 2 (looks real nice too), but I know some folks want a beefier tip. The zt 200 gets a lot of love here.

I think my SAK trekker is real verstile and really an izula 1 or 2 is a lot of knife for the size/weight.
 
There are many great fixed-blades, an RD-7 made by Justin of Ranger Knives is one of the best values you can get IMHO.
 
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