Super Extra Early Lock Up

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MODiFiEDZ

MODiFiEDZ

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I guess I can give props to Hinderer for always giving us early lockup, I think I've found the earliest lockup on any knife I have ever seen. It's a Production XM-18 3.5" Flipper Slicer Gen 4 w/ working finish on blade only from BLADE Atlanta. (Knife is not Mine, just here for Wicked Edge Sharpening)
What's the earliest lock up you've got an an XM-18?
Here it is next to the earliest lock up in my collection of Hinderers, the blue custom is the earliest I have at about 15-20%, doesnt even come close. This one Looks to be about 5%.

3.5" Flipper Slicer Gen 4 by ⓂⓄⒹⓘⒻⓘⒺⒹⓏ, on Flickr

Hinderer XM-18 by ⓂⓄⒹⓘⒻⓘⒺⒹⓏ, on Flickr

Hinderer by ⓂⓄⒹⓘⒻⓘⒺⒹⓏ, on Flickr
 
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Have that also on some of my customs, indeed super early but still rock solid. Its looks a bit scary though :)
 
emel said:
Have that also on some of my customs, indeed super early but still rock solid. Its looks a bit scary though :)
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Yeah it does look unsafe but if slipits can do without a lock I'm sure we're good here. Although I'm sure that may be a little too close to the edge at less than .5mm of contact & it may disengage if you tried to, (not my knife so I'm not going to see if it will disengage.) Use it like a slipit till it breaks in to a safer zone with the benefit of even longer lock life.
 
Wow! Those are super early. Mine are about 30% which to me is purrrrrfect!
 
Why is 'early lockup' so desired on a RIL????? I like to have the full lock bar behind the tang personally.
 
For those of you spine whack lovers don't ruin it for the rest of us. I personally love the early lock up of the Hinderers.
 
Better early than late right(only one instance i don't think that'd be okay ;)

videl- if it travels over all the way then you'll have the lock bar rubbing the frame. That's the only thing i can think why it's bad to have late lock up. The only reason not wanting early lock up is for the people who do those spine-whacking test(which i still don't understand)
 
The Logical One said:
For those of you spine whack lovers don't ruin it for the rest of us. I personally love the early lock up of the Hinderers.
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It looks like it wouldnt even hold 5 lbs, or a tap on the spine - thats a bit scary for a "hard use knife"
MODiFiEDZ said:
Yeah it does look unsafe but if slipits can do without a lock I'm sure we're good here. Although I'm sure that may be a little too close to the edge at less than .5mm of contact & it may disengage if you tried to, (not my knife so I'm not going to see if it will disengage.) Use it like a slipit till it breaks in to a safer zone with the benefit of even longer lock life.
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Its not a case peanut by any means, its a " hard use knife" i think i would want 10% lockup at the VERY least
 
I would not feel confident with a lockup that early if there was pressure on the blade spine and my fingers in the path of the blade.
 
김원진;11357188 said:
Better early than late right(only one instance i don't think that'd be okay ;)

videl- if it travels over all the way then you'll have the lock bar rubbing the frame. That's the only thing i can think why it's bad to have late lock up. The only reason not wanting early lock up is for the people who do those spine-whacking test(which i still don't understand)
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I never said there was anything wrong with early lock-up. And as far as the spine-whacking test; what part of that don't you understand? It's one of the most conventional ways of testing a knives' lock mechanism. I don't know about you, but I actually carry AND use my Hinderers for hard use. And yes, the spine-whack test has been done on my XM-18 and XM-24. Of course, if you're concerned about scratching or denting your blade, what type of test would you perform on your locking mechanism???
 
Razorsharp-Travis said:
they dont want to find out the love tap makes the lock fail on their super dependable knife :P
Gonna get so flamed hahaha
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singularity35 said:
The question begs, do they really use their knives hard if they are afraid of a little love tap?
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Razorsharp-Travis said:
It looks like it wouldnt even hold 5 lbs, or a tap on the spine - thats a bit scary for a "hard use knife"

Its not a case peanut by any means, its a " hard use knife" i think i would want 10% lockup at the VERY least
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And that's why I had introduced that "spine-whack test" question in the first place... CHECK IT OUT! I personally have nothing against early lockup - it's nice to have. Also, it was real interesting to see those types of responses. I think someone my have wrote not to "ruin it" for the early lockup lovers. We're not trying to ruin it for anyone - it's a conventional safety test...
 
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Razorsharp-Travis said:
It looks like it wouldnt even hold 5 lbs, or a tap on the spine - thats a bit scary for a "hard use knife"

Its not a case peanut by any means, its a " hard use knife" i think i would want 10% lockup at the VERY least
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Though I do agree that the OP's lock up is a bit too early, as long as he's using it to CUT, the pressure is being exerted upwards..... there's no reason why that lockbar should fail. Now for whatever reason one decides he needs to be "tactical" and start stabbing 3" steel plates, then it might. Other than that I don't see early lock up being a problem.
 
Really not sure what the point of this thread is/was. IF the actual Owner of the knife sees this as an issue and wishes to have the knife adjusted then he/she can send an email to Rob and the matter will be handled in an expeditious manner.
Otherwise......
 
Mike Datangel said:
I never said there was anything wrong with early lock-up. And as far as the spine-whacking test; what part of that don't you understand? It's one of the most conventional ways of testing a knives' lock mechanism. I don't know about you, but I actually carry AND use my Hinderers for hard use. And yes, the spine-whack test has been done on my XM-18 and XM-24. Of course, if you're concerned about scratching or denting your blade, what type of test would you perform on your locking mechanism???
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Don't recall ever mentioning you in my post, so you got bent up for someone else.

Use my Hinderers as well, stabbing them into something unnecessary i haven't. I'm more of the thought that i'd use my fixed blade. Only one of my Hinderers has slightly early lockup, but again, if a situation arose, i'd probably use my fixed blade, or i would at least have confidence in my Hinderer for performance. I don't think Rick would sell specifically to first responders and make a knife that would have a faulty locking mechanism. With such a small shop, quality control is much better than larger shops. And logically in a situation of duress, i think you'd be squeezing pretty hard on the handle/lock face and that early lockup would slide over some.

I don't see how spine whacking would scratch or dent the blade. 20cv is pretty thick on these bad boys, and that stonewash hides it all away. Not sure about the others, but would be interested to see a video of you spine whacking your XM's. I haven't seen many of these test, but the ones that have aren't holding the lockbar, which would be pressed from grip, so they fail fairly early because there's no pressure on the lock bar, and the tang/lock bar are at angles, so of course it'd slide in that direction.
 
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