Super Hard Steel

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super hard steel
what do you guys think about this? anybody heard of it?
super hardening coating/process.. mention of self sharpening knives... like ginsu? let's hope not. :)
sounds like new, really exciting stuff.

-IPR
 
Says its tough enough that you can't take it off with a hammer and chisel, and approaching tungsten carbide in hardness:eek:
I'd like to see independent tests......
 
Okay, where's Cliff Stamp - we need some serious metallurgic incomprehensispeak analysis of this stuff . . . . . ;)
 
If this stuff is all it is cracked up to be, I foresee the potential for major changes in the bearing, gear, and lubrication industries, and probably others which use a lot of steel. Who knows? Might be able to make bearings and races from 1095 and just coat them with this stuff, and have them last longer than 52100.

If they get the ability to actually make this stuff adhere to knife edges, and be sharp, then it could have major impact on the knife industry as well. Like 420J2 coated to keep an edge longer than 10V.

Just have to see.
 
The self sharpening probably refers to having the edge coated on one side and since the coating forms the cutting edge, as the blade material wears away the edge gets "sharper" because the coating will not wear at the same rate. I have not used any such knives, but there are problems with that logic.

In regards to this specific material, I sent off about a dozen emails yesterday to some people I know in the materials industry as well as various knife makers and manufacturers. If I get any concrete information, or am able to obtain a sample I'll update this thread.

-Cliff
 
According to the article,

"Super Hard Steel has hardness properties among the highest ever reported for any metallic structure or alloy-up to 16 giga Pascals."

Does 16 giga Pascals have some sort of RC corrolary? If, so, just how hard is it I wonder... can anybody do the conversion? Hmmm... I hope it lives up to it's name, without being brittle.

-IPR
 
The wife want to use the computer. This should give me some time to do the conversion for GPa, or at least make up my own.:D
 
Ok. Here is the conversion factor. 0.145 psi equals 1 Pa. 1Gpa equals 1,000,000,000 Pa. GPa are Gigapascals, a metric measure of pressure or stress. The conversions from psi to Pa aren't exact. I rounded them off to 3 decimal places. As far as a hardness guess, this is probably off the Rc scale. Just to give an idea, Mission Knives lists their A-2 blades at 310,000 psi with a hardness of 56 Rc. There is a correlation between hardness and strength for metals. Unless a specific metal is being considered, only an estimate can be made. 16 GPa works out to something along the order of 2,000,000,000 psi. Some one check my math. Given the above comparison from Mission Knives, I think the assumption that 16 GPa is off the Rc scale is pretty reasonable. For another comparison, 440C hardened and tempered at 600 degrees F has a tensile strength of about 1.8 GPa or 275,000 psi. Actually, these are the yield strength figures.
Metallic glasses were new when I first heard about them. They had some specialty applications, but nothing very common. They were mostly limited to the realm of research and development. That was about 3 years ago. If what was said in the article is true, then a lot of things have been learned since I read about them.
One thing that I question is what property has a value of 16 GPa. They didnt say what specific property had a value that high. If its tensile strenth, then they indeed have something to yell about. It sounds more like a measure of modulus of elasticity (MOE). Many high strenth metals have a MOE in the GPa range. MOE is a measure of how much a material stretches as increasing force is applied, like a spring.
Very interesting stuff.
 
chief dignitary :

how hard is it

They say it approaches the hardness of Tungsten Carbide, which has a Knoop Hardness of ~2100. This is off of the Rockwell C scale and approx. the same hardness of Aluminum Oxide which is a common sharpening abrasive.

In regards to the GPa number, as Dragon2 noted unless they say what this is, the number is meaningless.For reference, the Modulus of Elasticity of plain carbon and low alloy steels is ~200 GPa. It is around 1000 GPa for Diamond.

The Modulus of Elastic is just a measure of the "stiffness" of a material.

-Cliff
 
Thanks Cliff,
I didnt look at any specific #s for Modulus the other night. If that number is for the modulus, then its already outdone by, well, a whole lot of things.
Have any of the other people you contacted been able to supply any information? The article said that people didnt beleive the results they were reporting, and so far that seems to hold true here.
 
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